Necks

[Ayrton]

I get a cramp in my thumb when the neck gets too thick.

Whats too thick?

Sorry to say man, but if a couple of mm difference is causing you cramps, then you have a technique problem.

[Dannyjoe Carter]

Whats too thick?

Sorry to say man, but if a couple of mm difference is causing you cramps, then you have a technique problem.

Go check out some of my vids and then come back and we'll talk.

http://www.youtube.com/user/dannyjoecarter

http://www.myspace.com/dannyjoecarterband

At any rate, it's what "I" like.

[javert]

Go check out some of my vids and then come back and we'll talk.

http://www.youtube.com/user/dannyjoecarter

http://www.myspace.com/dannyjoecarterband

At any rate, it's what "I" like.

I don't get the whole 'you have a technique problem' thing when somebody doesn't like a particular aspect of a guitar or find it uncomfortable even when it's causing you a problem. Of course it may be the case that it would be better to do things another way to avoid long term injury, but I'd guess that's really rare and certainly not the case here.

[Ayrton]

No need to be defensive, and your point would be valid if we were talking about the difference between a nocaster neck and the wizard. Some people like thinner necks, and some people like thicker ones.

You preferring a particular profile is one thing, but if you are getting hand craps because of a minute difference in thickness, the guitar is not the problem.

[Dannyjoe Carter]

No need to be defensive, and your point would be valid if we were talking about the difference between a nocaster neck and the wizard. Some people like thinner necks, and some people like thicker ones.

You preferring a particular profile is one thing, but if you are getting hand craps because of a minute difference in thickness, the guitar is not the problem.

You're still saying that because I don't play the way you play or the type of guitar you do that I must have a problem as a player. I have a very wide left hand stretch even though I have small hands. On recordings I've had players ask me if I'm tapping but I'm not. In order to have that wide a stretch I place my thumb in a certain position and if the neck gets to certain point thickness wise I'm uncomfortable.

It all comes down to this; there are no guitar police and I can't get fined for playing a certain way. I hold my pick different than anyone and use only my thumb and index finger for picking. Does it work? Yep. "Guitar World" had me listed in Willie Jordan's Notes per Second project as the second fastest picker right after Shawn Lane. I'm not boasting of what I can or can't do but rather saying this is what I need a guitar to do and because it's different than what anyone else does doesn't mean that I'm no good or that it's wrong.
But you should post a clip of your playing so you can better illustrate your point.

[lerxstcat]

Double post

[lerxstcat]

You're still saying that because I don't play the way you play or the type of guitar you do that I must have a problem as a player. I have a very wide left hand stretch even though I have small hands. On recordings I've had players ask me if I'm tapping but I'm not. In order to have that wide a stretch I place my thumb in a certain position and if the neck gets to certain point thickness wise I'm uncomfortable.

It all comes down to this; there are no guitar police and I can't get fined for playing a certain way. I hold my pick different than anyone and use only my thumb and index finger for picking. Does it work? Yep. "Guitar World" had me listed in Willie Jordan's Notes per Second project as the second fastest picker right after Shawn Lane. I'm not boasting of what I can or can't do but rather saying this is what I need a guitar to do and because it's different than what anyone else does doesn't mean that I'm no good or that it's wrong.
But you should post a clip of your playing so you can better illustrate your point.

First of all, he never said you were no good. He said if playing makes you cramp over a couple of millimeters that it's probably a technique issue. You might want to investigate that possibility before it escalates into carpal tunnel, instead of trying to intimidate him with your chops.

If I looked at it like you do, I never would have adjusted my right hand technique to a floating Floyd and stuck with a stop tailpiece and tunomatic, or a v-trem. But the benefits outweighed the inconvenience.

You said you have a wide stretch even with small hands. Ever think you are overextending your digits and THAT could make your hands hurt?

Arlo Gordin is the man in L.A.; he helped Billy Sheehan deal with pain issues. Maybe he'd know someone in your area.

[Dannyjoe Carter]

I'm gonna try and get this thread back on point..........

Necks I like are the .735-.750 range; I was emailed a little while ago that Charvels during the 86-88 may have been outsourced to a few places, which may explain different specs.

Anyone have any thoughts on this?

[lerxstcat]

Yeah, my thoughts are, don't buy anything you can't check in person first. Or stick with the guitars you already have if you are that picky. Resell the necks that you feel are too thick for you.

But don't expect to win any Ebay or Paypal disputes over a neck being a micron too thick for you. The real world is not as picky as you are and your playing is not world-shattering enough to make them change for you.

And no, I don't need to post a clip of my playing to so opine.

[Dannyjoe Carter]

Yeah, my thoughts are, don't buy anything you can't check in person first. Or stick with the guitars you already have if you are that picky. Resell the necks that you feel are too thick for you.

But don't expect to win any Ebay or Paypal disputes over a neck being a micron too thick for you. The real world is not as picky as you are and your playing is not world-shattering enough to make them change for you.

And no, I don't need to post a clip of my playing to so opine.

You didn't read the post but rather went off and high-jacked it yet again.
We've moved on to manufacturing.............and where certain guitars may have been made.

[lerxstcat]

Oh, I read your post - and I gave you my thoughts. Read YOUR post, it's what you asked for. It might not be what you want to hear, but such is life sometimes.

I'm still saying, even Charvel/Jackson 2010 doesn't really know that much about the history or specs of the 80s Model Series anymore. And I'd say my advice is valid; if you are that anal about the neck dimensions, then you'd better check them in person or you risk disappointment.

Again, the world is not going to change just for you.

Having said that, TEKKY is probably the most comprehensive C/J historian here, maybe you should PM him directly about it.

[Dannyjoe Carter]

Oh, I read your post - and I gave you my thoughts. Read YOUR post, it's what you asked for. It might not be what you want to hear, but such is life sometimes.

I'm still saying, even Charvel/Jackson 2010 doesn't really know that much about the history or specs of the 80s Model Series anymore. And I'd say my advice is valid; if you are that anal about the neck dimensions, then you'd better check them in person or you risk disappointment.

Again, the world is not going to change just for you.

Having said that, TEKKY is probably the most comprehensive C/J historian here, maybe you should PM him directly about it.

See that wasn't that hard - I commend you for actually contributing something useful to the post. The only reason I made this post was to find out more about the mid 80's Model series Charvels. And I will look up Mr. TEKKY.
Thanks again for the info.

[nhspike]

My extension is longer.

[Rich#6]

I never heard of any thing being outsourced when it comes to the imports. Custom shops yes. I have had an 86 and an 87-88 and the neck was thinner on the 86. The predators are thin necks too. The 550xl and the 90 jackson soloist PRO I had/have have thin necks also. Have you ever tried a new PROMOD the profiles a C but very comfy. The 2005 charvel pointy I have is really thin too.

[Matt_B]

"Guitar World" had me listed in Willie Jordan's Notes per Second project as the second fastest picker right after Shawn Lane. I'm not boasting of what I can or can't do

Oh come come now Mr. Carter. Modesty does not suit you.

But you should post a clip of your playing so you can better illustrate your point.

Oh no he didn't.

In all seriousness though Danny, if you're are that discerning when it come to neck thickness, don't you think you would be best served by having necks made for you so you can be assured for consistent dimensions?