Jackson Twang?

[charvel750]

No he doesn't. @ charvel750 :
1) Don't insult people, if you do nobody will listen to you
2) Don't do as if you were superior, it makes you appear disrespectful
3) If you think your soloist can sound EXACTLY like a strat, you have a serious problem. Either you're just shitty at feeling sound, or your ears have been damaged somehow.

Next time try to be objective, unbiased, and give ARGUMENTS that will make everyone want to believe and/or agree with you. As I said, insults are not convincing. We know you like Jacksons, but that doesn't make them the best guitars in the world. Explain why they are, and if you give enough good arguments, we will believe you. Give it a try, I'm sure you have interesting things to say.

OK, GOD, with your whopping 11 posts and superior knowledge. Duh. Get a clue, beotch.

[charvel750]

You don't handle conflicting opinions very well, do you?

Actually, I just don't handle dumbasses well. I have the right to say what I think just as you do. But I've been around, I'm not 13 years old. If you don't believe me, you haven't been around yourself. You can get Strat tones from a Jackson. I've proven it over and over again. I don't just play in my room in my parent's house, mmmkk? I'm a pro, I get paid to sound right. And I've done it with Jacksons for so long it's absurd to hear you guys say only a Strat will do. Fuck that.

[warlok]

I'm not getting into the argument here.... But I do have to say that my MIM strat definitely needs some better pups than stock to get what I see as "strat tones". It's not bad but just needs some different pups.... AND..... My Model 6 (although not technically a Jackson, but please don't split hairs here...) with a JB, Duckbucker, and little '59 when split to single coils is EXACTLY what I know as a "strat tone". So it is the best of both worlds IMHO...

[salmonella]

I have an 80s soloist that is a tone machine, does the strat tone and many others beautifully (jackson pickups) . Modern SL1 - fails (seymours). Both neck throughs.
See if you can play an older Jackson / charvel to try out the sounds , if that fails or you cant be bothered to hunt around, just go for the Fender strat - simples.

[Nagash02]

@ charvel750 : You seem to be pretty narrow-minded... I am new TO THE FORUM, not to the world of guitars. Some people here have posted 3 messages and have been playing, repairing or building guitars for over 30 years. Come on, I just wanted you to post ARGUMENTS, what you did in the end, so that's fine for me, I don't want to start a shitty insult conversation here.

I never intended to be the "superior guy", but that's what YOU did by calling me a "dumbass", so you should be careful with what you write. Give arguments to prove me wrong, not insults cause this will only lower the level of the conversation.

[MakeAJazzNoiseHere]

Actually, I just don't handle dumbasses well. I have the right to say what I think just as you do. But I've been around, I'm not 13 years old. If you don't believe me, you haven't been around yourself. You can get Strat tones from a Jackson. I've proven it over and over again. I don't just play in my room in my parent's house, mmmkk? I'm a pro, I get paid to sound right. And I've done it with Jacksons for so long it's absurd to hear you guys say only a Strat will do. Fuck that.

Of course, you have the right to say what you think, just as I do. I just don't understand why you want to make yourself look like an immature jackass who throws a fit any time someone doesn't step all over himself to agree with you.

I know I can get some Strat-like tones from a Jackson, I've said it before, the Classic Stack pickups in my SL1 give a pretty good Strat-like tone in position 3, 4, and 5. It's "close."

But the Classic Stacks and other "noiseless" single-coils and such don't really sound like a "real" single coil, whether they are in a Strat or in a Jackson.

Also, the guitar is neck-through. That does affect the tone. It also has a Floyd Rose, that does affect the tone.

And then there is the fact that in position 1 and 2, you have a humbucker, and that is where it's missing, and if you think you can just flip a coil tap switch and get a good single-coil sound out of the bridge humbucker, well, I disagree.

So yeah, if you occasionally need a Strat-like neck/middle PU tone an SL1 or any Charvel/Jackson with an HSS setup will work. A 3-tite will do even more, and if it's got a V-trem then I'd say you could pretty much nail it at that point.

However the guy is asking about buying a guitar to play bluesy Strat-tone stuff on so rather than tell him to order a Custom Shop 3-tite V-trem Soloist it kinda makes more sense to tell him to, you know, buy a Strat.

[charvel750]

So is a Fender Richie Sambora Strat with humbuckers and a Floyd not a Strat? How many Strats do you own, and how many Jacksons? 2? 3? I've had hundreds in ownership and I can say with complete certainty you can get those sounds with a Floyded neck through Jackson. And why do you only have to get a strat tone with the humbuckers?

How about I post some sound clips and you tell me which is a Stratocaster and which is a Soloist? You up to the challenge? Can your ears really tell?

[MakeAJazzNoiseHere]

I can say with complete certainty you can get those sounds with a Floyded neck through Jackson.

Which sounds? Like I said, yeah, with an SL1 or any HSS Jackson you can get close enough to at least most of the neck/middle sounds of a Strat. Not the bridge and bridge/middle though.

And why do you only have to get a strat tone with the humbuckers?

You don't- that was my point. What I am saying is that, because it has a humbucker in the bridge, you are not going to get the bridge and bridge/middle combinations to sound right without a real single coil at the bridge, as there is on a traditional Strat.

Then there is the dual tone controls you don't have, either, so... While I agree you can get some Strat-like sounds out of a Soloists or an HSS Dinky, you're not getting all of them, and they're not really dead-on, either.

How about I post some sound clips and you tell me which is a Stratocaster and which is a Soloist? You up to the challenge? Can your ears really tell?

All that would prove is that you could make a recording on a Soloist that sounds like it could possibly have come out of a Strat, which I already agreed is possible.

[charvel750]

So if you couldn't tell which was a Strat and which was a Soloist, why would anyone just want a Strat? Get the Soloist, like I said, it can do the Strat AND the harder edged tones so it's the better guitar.

[Nagash02]

Still, he doesn't NEED to produce the "harder sounds" as you said, because he already owns two dinkys, so as the fender strat sound it the purest strat sound and also because most Fenders are cheaper than Jacksons (which is, even though it sucks, an important issue), I'd still say the Fender is the better choice.

Now we should ask HIM, does he really want a blues-only guitar ? If yes, go Fender, if not, I could agree with charvel750. It all depends on the exact sound you want. With the Fender you get pure strat tone plus soft rock distortion, with the Jackson you get slightly "worse" cleans (I mean for blues) but a versatile distortion sound panel.

[MakeAJazzNoiseHere]

So if you couldn't tell which was a Strat and which was a Soloist, why would anyone just want a Strat? Get the Soloist, like I said, it can do the Strat AND the harder edged tones so it's the better guitar.

I didn't say that. I said I can A/B position 3/4/5 on the 5-way of my SL1 and my Strat and it's "close enough" but I can still hear a difference.

And, you're completely missing position 1 and 2 on the Strat 5-way... The bridge single coil, and the bridge and middle single-coils. You don't get that tone from an SL1, unless it's a 3-tite. And there is also something less percussive about the whole tone of it.

Neck through, Floyd, Ebony fingerboard... These do have an influence on the tone, so it's not going to sound dead on. About all they have in common is the scale length and the single-coil pickup. So if I only had one guitar, yeah, I'd pick the Soloist, but I don't, and neither does he- and if I were picking up a second guitar to play funk/blues/surf tunes/whatever on, I'd pick up a Strat. :dunno:

[devreaux]

So is a Fender Richie Sambora Strat with humbuckers and a Floyd not a Strat? How many Strats do you own, and how many Jacksons? 2? 3? I've had hundreds in ownership and I can say with complete certainty you can get those sounds with a Floyded neck through Jackson. And why do you only have to get a strat tone with the humbuckers?

How about I post some sound clips and you tell me which is a Stratocaster and which is a Soloist? You up to the challenge? Can your ears really tell?

hey man i'd really love you to send some clips. just upload them on www.speedyshare.com , that would be awesome

[mjtripper]

What about a dk2 with a humbucker pickup ring that holds an angled single coil pickup in the bridge slot and then putting a set of fender texas special pickups in it? This is something I've been thinking about doing as well for getting as close to that strat tone but with something that plays and feels more like a jackson.

[devreaux]

What about a dk2 with a humbucker pickup ring that holds an angled single coil pickup in the bridge slot and then putting a set of fender texas special pickups in it? This is something I've been thinking about doing as well for getting as close to that strat tone but with something that plays and feels more like a jackson.

I actually have a singlecoil from a mexico strat in neck position on one of my dinkys. its a bridge pickup and i must say it gets pretty near

[McD]

I sold Keith Urban and his guitar player an Adrian Smith & PC1! I'd suggest you get a guitar that feels good and sound good UNPLUGGED - then, you can make some adjustments 'under the hood' if you will, to dial in the specific tone you're looking for. But, if it doesn't feel comfortable and sound good on its own, it's not worth your time or money...