I hate Music Store weenie ass Clerks

[lerxstcat]

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Fenders and Gibsons play well and sound good, but both companies ignored customers who wanted a Les Paul with coil
taps, or maybe a trem, or a Strat with a
humbucker in the bridge. They just wouldn't do that, so people had to customize their own guitars through the aftermarket guys, who included Wayne Charvel. He started to make guitars, brought in Grover, later sold it to Grover, and the rest is history. They HAD to have better quality than Fender and Gibson to break into the market and
catch on, so that's what they did. A sh1tty guitar with a loyd is still a sh1tty guitar, so they had to be better, or people would just put Floyds on their
Fenders and Gibsons.

Vintage snobs just want to put a religious significance to what is really used gear that has lasted 30 -40 years without being destroyed. Granted a lot of old instruments and amps are beautiful but they don't fit the needs of today's players, who can't afford them anyway.
If thoe stores realized they could probably sell 3 or 4 DK2s for every '69
Mustang they're overpricing, then they'd be making money while they wait for the old stuff to sell. Doesn't take a genius
to come up with that idea.

[pro-fusion]

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The vintage guitar snobs are so amusing, because they go with trends as badly as any 13 year-old. I remember back in the '80s when these same shops didn't want to see your Les Paul--couldn't give 'em away. Strats were the thing, and all these knobheads spouted on about the 'mystical' qualities of a beat-up old POS Strat, just because Stevie Ray played one. And Stevie Ray had probably been playing a beat-up old one because that was all he could afford before 1983.

And Fender Mustangs, Jaguars, or Jazzmasters? Those were considered junk. Kurt Cobain comes along, and these same guys are praising the mystical qualities of Jaguars and Jazzmasters--wish I'd had the foresight to buy a couple in 1990!

Right now Les Pauls are the thing, and prices have gone into the absurd for very ordinary '70s and '80s LPs. If I were a collector, now is the LAST time I would buy one, unless it was truly a rare piece. Wait about ten years when they go out of fashion again.

I'm not into guitars as collectables, but if I were, I would be eyeing those undervalued San Dimas neckthrus. Another ten years or so...

[ranalli]

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I'm not going to bash strats cause they can sound and play nice but I don't understand what the fascination is over a bare-bones mass-produced nut's-n-bolts type guitar. Strats are just a bunch of parts slapped together and the better ones have better pickups and nicer fretwork....end of story.

I dont' understand why people hold them in such high regard. Les Pauls are much harder to manufacture....I can see why those are classics at least.

[Tekky]

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When I first read the post, I was with 2L2O, but now that I have thought about it, maybe talking their price down would have probably been the thing to do. Don't get me wrong, I'm proud of you 2L2O, you do us Jackson/Charvel nuts proud.

[Steve]

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Originally posted by 2Loud2Old:
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Well, this is SORTA Jackson/Charvel related.

So I'm in my local *used* music shop.. They're big on vintage gear, you know expensive fenders in bad shape, and crappy-ass 60's guitars you used to smash for fun as a kid....

On the wall are a couple of RR3s.. I ask the guy behind the counter about them and he says " Oh, I wouldn't know anything about those guitars.."

"I see." I said, " If it doesn't say fender on it, you don't play it.."

"Yea.." he says.." "I don't know about Jacksons or Dokken or Cinderella.."

He's laughing as he says this, winking at his pal, who happens to think the last decent guitar was made in 1968.

It made me angry.. It made me angry because they were my age, yet clearly couldn't distinguish between bad image decisions and supurb musicianship, both of which filled that era..

It made me angry that they were so smug and comfortable in the fantasy that 8 chords and a crunchy tone played on a $5000.00 museum peice made them guitar players.

I didn't point out that while I was never a huge Cinderella fan, they could carry a tune and they used Gibson and Fenders, not Jacksons..

I also failed to point out that George Lynch could play circles around both of them, 20 of their buddies AND make an ESP sound good...

I certainly didn't point out that Jackson existed because some of the best technical virtuosos of the electric guitar wanted a guitar that was technicaly superior to what was available at the time, and that included their priceless Fenders and Gibsons and Gretches sitting on the wall.

Instead I pointed to the RR3 and said.. "It's too bad you can't tell me about that guitar.. I wanted to buy it.."

And I walked out.

Dickheads, each and everyone.... [img]graemlins/images/icons/mad.gif[/img]

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">hang out there are wait till a san dimas comes in or some usa select model used and tell em that dude it's only worth 200 300 bucks used , or even worst tell em its a fake and only worth 100 bucks with case [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] then buy it [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] that will be the last time they ever do that to you again [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] I've seen it done before to , I see it happen all the time up here but most of the time I have no cash when the stuff is going dirt cheap , I might have a job at a Jackson dealer up here soon if it works out it will be cool cause I am the only one in this town that knows anything about em , to bad you didn't live near here then you could pop by and and hang and buy stuff off me cause these guys don't really know what they are selling up here either [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] //Steve

[Tekky]

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Good strategy, but most shop owners never listen to you when you tell them a Charvel is fake even if it truly is. There was a shop in Chicago that had some plywood body with a Charvel neck. The shop wanted about $350 for it. I wanted to take it for parts, but the shop weenie kept telling me that it was a real Charvel.

I think we gotta have badges made: **Charvel / Jackson Inspector**

[pro-fusion]

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The San Dimas Charvels seem to have hit the 'vintage snob' collective consciousness in the last few years. Maybe because they look a lot like Stratocasters??? [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

So I don't think that stuff would work. But I'll bet you could score a 750xl or Soloist Archtop Pro dirt cheap from those chuckleheads...after all, it's *only* a Japanese made hair metal guitar! [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[Steve]

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Originally posted by TEKKY:
Good strategy, but most shop owners never listen to you when you tell them a Charvel is fake even if it truly is. There was a shop in Chicago that had some plywood body with a Charvel neck. The shop wanted about $350 for it. I wanted to take it for parts, but the shop weenie kept telling me that it was a real Charvel.

I think we gotta have badges made: **Charvel / Jackson Inspector**

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">[img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] //Steve

[JacksonJuiceBox]

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LOL, I know how those guys can be, but when i ordered my jackson, not to recently ago [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] They were pretty cool about it, even though there fender guys.

[j2379]

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you handled better than I but like others have said wait till a San Dimas shows up & offer him $300 saying its a heavy metal guitar & isnt worth the PLY wood its made of.