newer "post-fender" guitars

[Devotee]

[DarkkWarriorr]

I have pre and post MIJ Jacksons, and I prefer the post ones for some reason. I'm not sure about the post USA quality though since I don't have an old one to compare it to, but I can tell you that I LOVE my new USA WR1 that I just got few weeks ago, it kills them all.

[PowerTube]

Okay, let's put this horrendous bullshit to rest once and for all. Jackson is not the same as they were before the Fender buyout.

Ever since Fender bought them, they're better. Better management, new graphic options, the same (if not better) excellent build quality, and the benefit of not worrying that Fender will just abandon them like Akai might have.

I don't know where this crap started about "pre-Fender" and "post-Fender," but it needs to end.

Now let me lay a real shocker on you: I believe that current USA Jacksons are at least as good if not better than the San Dimas guitars of the 80's. Flame away, San Dimas lovers. I don't give a shit. That's my opinion.

[Hellbat]

I don't know where this crap started about "pre-Fender" and "post-Fender," but it needs to end.

It started on ebay where people with older Jacksons wanted to make it seem like they had captured magic that makes them worth more. I don't really buy in to the hype myself. As I said my new one is better made than my old one by an infinitesimal amount. But they are both more awesome than any other guitar I've ever played.

I do want to comment on the MIJ guitars as well. The Japanese guitars are literally being made in the same place they always have as far as I am aware. Now they generally have better (or more valuable at least) hardware and also most are coming with hardshell cases and not gig bags now, with prices not really changing. This makes them still a great value for MIJ guitars. Of course I am speaking about my experience which is in the Canadian marketplace. Things might be different in the USA or elsewhere.

[JACKSONFREAK]

Was this debate goin on when Akai bought Jackson/Charvel? Sure they were only the figure head and didnt maek the guitars but Fender isnt making them either. Jackson is. Period. And dont forget Mike Shannon is on board at Jackson. And we all know his history. So :P Jackson is Jackson not fender. Fender just owns them. They do have a controlling interest but still Jackson does their own thing.
Gil

[PowerTube]

Of course I am speaking about my experience which is in the Canadian marketplace. Things might be different in the USA or elsewhere.

Nope. It's exactly the same here. Fender did the best thing they could have done with Jackson: they left them alone. That's why I say that if there's any difference between pre-Fender and post-Fender, then post-Fender is an improvement.

Several years ago, I picked up a cheap (but overpriced) piece of crap model called a DX10X. Made in India, single-locking tremolo, just a "cheap" feeling guitar overall. Those days are gone. I also haven't seen a Performer series around lately. In short, Jackson is producing a lot less junk now than they did under Akai. Even the lowly JS series guitars seem better than what I was seeing 10 years ago. I'm not sure what involvement Fender had in this, but I believe that it blows the entire "pre-Fender" BS out of the water.

Hey, here's an idea....I'll pick up a piece of crap DX or Performer series from a pawn shop, then put it on E-Bay and say:

Pre-Fender Jackson! L@@K!!!!!

[straycat]

I see no huge difference in pre/ post Fender Jacksons now SD Jacksons yes JMO.
The best thing to happen to Jackson was Fender buying them.Again JMO

[warlok]

Let's really put this all to bed. Lets all throw $20 each in and buy Fender.

BREAKING NEWS: JCF now owns Fender... and Jackson... And Charvel---
In a strange twist of fate, the members of the internet online forum dedicated to Jackson and Charvel guitars, JCFonline.com, have combined to form the new ownership consortium "Pre/Post Fender/Jackson/Charvel Inc." and are the new owners of the company formerly known as the Fender Musical Instrument Corp. (FMIC) which formerly was the owner of the Jackson/Charvel company (post Fender) which was formerly known as Jackson/Charvel (pre Fender) before it was bought by Fender (pre Pre/Post Fender/Jackson/Charvel). Now all under one clear, concise banner, Pre/Post Fender/Jackson/Charvel will not be changing anything about the current build quality or specs of the current (post Fender Jackson/Charvels and current Fender Fender) line of guitars as they have been of excellent quality since founded and universally voted as the best in the world.

MORE BREAKING NEWS: Pre/Post Fender/Jackson/Charvel in Turmoil!!
Police have been dispatched to the headquarters of Pre/Post Fender/Jackson/Charvel Inc. (formerly known as Fen.. Aah forget it.. you get the point). There has been tension within the company for the incoming CEO, RacerX, as the incoming public relations coordinator, straycat, failed to correct grammatical errors and mis-spelled words and the new catalog has images with the tip of a headstock missing. A known bone of contention for the severely anal CEO. It seems that in the current incident, RacerX has gored incoming design manager Newc through the stomach with the headstock of an RR1 in an apparent attempt to stop his incessant urge to insert spiked studs into the newly painted Firebird bodies built by newly acquired build specialist Sully. His comment, witnesses reported, was "There's you're f@$king $400 motherf*%ker!!" and then looked toward the witnesses and shouted "Now GTWGITS!!". More on this gruesome story at 6... Now the weather...

[DarkkWarriorr]

^ Priceless...

[tonemonster]

Okay, let's put this horrendous bullshit to rest once and for all. Jackson is not the same as they were before the Fender buyout.

Ever since Fender bought them, they're better. Better management, new graphic options, the same (if not better) excellent build quality, and the benefit of not worrying that Fender will just abandon them like Akai might have.

I don't know where this crap started about "pre-Fender" and "post-Fender," but it needs to end.

Now let me lay a real shocker on you: I believe that current USA Jacksons are at least as good if not better than the San Dimas guitars of the 80's. Flame away, San Dimas lovers. I don't give a shit. That's my opinion.

I agree. I think the reason everyone drinks the san dimas cool aid by the 55 gallon drum is because they simply blew away anything else that was being built in that era 25 to 30 years ago. I have played a lot of jacksons, and I own quite a few.......from all eras. I honestly believe that the quality today on the USAs are just as good as back then.

and I agree that Fender buying them was a great thing, they are guitar people, that thinkn like guitarists, not accountants. the Jackson name means something to them, where as akai could have gave a shit less about it, they were just "widjits" to them. Fender means stability, and longevity.

[Grandturk]

Post Fender Jackson means I have a Adrian Smith Jackson. 'nuff said.

[6string40]

Let's really put this all to bed. Lets all throw $20 each in and buy Fender.

BREAKING NEWS: JCF now owns Fender... and Jackson... And Charvel---
In a strange twist of fate, the members of the internet online forum dedicated to Jackson and Charvel guitars, JCFonline.com, have combined to form the new ownership consortium "Pre/Post Fender/Jackson/Charvel Inc." and are the new owners of the company formerly known as the Fender Musical Instrument Corp. (FMIC) which formerly was the owner of the Jackson/Charvel company (post Fender) which was formerly known as Jackson/Charvel (pre Fender) before it was bought by Fender (pre Pre/Post Fender/Jackson/Charvel). Now all under one clear, concise banner, Pre/Post Fender/Jackson/Charvel will not be changing anything about the current build quality or specs of the current (post Fender Jackson/Charvels and current Fender Fender) line of guitars as they have been of excellent quality since founded and universally voted as the best in the world.

MORE BREAKING NEWS: Pre/Post Fender/Jackson/Charvel in Turmoil!!
Police have been dispatched to the headquarters of Pre/Post Fender/Jackson/Charvel Inc. (formerly known as Fen.. Aah forget it.. you get the point). There has been tension within the company for the incoming CEO, RacerX, as the incoming public relations coordinator, straycat, failed to correct grammatical errors and mis-spelled words and the new catalog has images with the tip of a headstock missing. A known bone of contention for the severely anal CEO. It seems that in the current incident, RacerX has gored incoming design manager Newc through the stomach with the headstock of an RR1 in an apparent attempt to stop his incessant urge to insert spiked studs into the newly painted Firebird bodies built by newly acquired build specialist Sully. His comment, witnesses reported, was "There's you're f@$king $400 motherf*%ker!!" and then looked toward the witnesses and shouted "Now GTWGITS!!". More on this gruesome story at 6... Now the weather...

All we need yet is to have Bill come back and overthrow Ron in a poop-laden coup and an international sex scandal involving Rsmacker

[straycat]

I'm no PR guy how did I get involved? (and if I am where is my six figure PR salary BTW?)
I love both old and new Jackson guitars is what I meant.

[PowerTube]

I agree. I think the reason everyone drinks the san dimas cool aid by the 55 gallon drum is because they simply blew away anything else that was being built in that era 25 to 30 years ago. I have played a lot of jacksons, and I own quite a few.......from all eras. I honestly believe that the quality today on the USAs are just as good as back then.

Yep. The only thing I remember being in the ballpark as far as build quality was Kramer (including the imported ESP-made ones).

and I agree that Fender buying them was a great thing, they are guitar people, that thinkn like guitarists, not accountants. the Jackson name means something to them, where as akai could have gave a shit less about it, they were just "widjits" to them. Fender means stability, and longevity.

I remember some conversations on here about this. Akai sold stereos and who knows what else? At least Jackson is in the hands of a guitar company now.

[warlok]

Straycat - I needed a name and yours was right there.. lol