tone and playability differences between rr1 and rr1t?

[Hellbat]

I have both and the correct answer for which one to get is BOTH. If I had to choose one though I'd take the RR1T, but thats more because I'm not a huge user of whammy bars. I use them for gentle vibrato on chords more than stunt tools.

I use a little Big Bend Nut Sauce on my RR1T when I change strings and it's far more tuning stable than the RR1, which is also quite good. I should mention that I replaced the tuners on my RR1T with Schaller locking tuners though. As far as playability issues, other than the obvious difference in playing required for trem vs no trem, they play and feel pretty much identical.

Really, what it boils down to is do you want a floyd or hardtail. The differences between the two are pretty insignificant and easily adjusted to.

[wilkinsi]

From what i've heard, you can't do double stops on an RR1. Also, it doesn't have any blues-rock chatter, which the RR1T is more likely to possess.

Is that blue waffle chatter?

[TKEblue]

Just because you can change tunings quickly on a tom doesn't mean you should. The big thing for me is the picking hand. Which is easier for your hand? I don't think there's much difference other then preference really

[ginsambo]

......RR1 vs RR1T? As in Recessed Floyd versus Tom Bridge?


...depends on which shape you prefer I guess.


As said, big thing is what bridge height is comfortable for you, as there is a big difference and the angled neck is way more comfy I reckon standing, unless your left hand is longer than your right. Tom bridges are purist, unadulterated rock n roll in the purist sense. Hank Marvin had/has a trem, hell, he even played/plays the same neck angle and bridge position format as an RR1. Basically what these recessed Floyd metallers won't tell you is that secretly, they are basically playing a namby Strat, at least in format.

Look at the roots of the TOM Bridge guitars in the 30's and 50's and then look at who played Fenders...(Excluding mr Jimi, as obviously he was an alien, so he is discounted)

A TOM bridge guitar, now that is a real man's instrument. Its soul is in the roots of the earth spanning back thousands of centuries and the interaction and reasonance, harnessed, shackled even between guitar and player is completely unadulterated and in its purist form. Hence of course, why you can do unison bends so easily on a TOM Bridge guitar.:idea:

I will say this though. If you want to get a ghostly apparition to appear on film but remain invisible to the naked eye, then you must co ordinate the frequency of the light source of your projector with the films frame rate. Works great on CCTV in garages in Christian areas.

If anyone has any bright ideas on what TOM bridge would be suitable for me I can offer up more enlightening random information for free if you want.

You can be a heavy handed muter on a TOM bridge and really attack it. Recessed floyd can be sensitive to this style, unless you fit overly gauged strings and valve springs from a truck engine. Tonally both can be equally good or bad for magic reasons. Depends if you really want a floyd or not and if your style calls for it.

[Devotee]

[Nightbat]

I use a little Big Bend Nut Sauce

[my03]

first of all, thanks for all the informative as well as the amusing replies guys.

looks like the fr vs tom is a old debate that stems as far back as the birth of the floyd rose. the bloke that does my setups always used to tell me "i spent the whole of the 80s installing floyd roses and the whole of the 90s taking them out!" lol

I did some itneresting browsing on the forums about the topic of fr vs tom and it does seem there are differences with the string tensions, thus bending and pick attack would differ. i guess theres pros n cons of each.

i have a rr5 fr, and i also have a tom les paul, would you say the rr1t would be similar in action and feel to the les paul?

cheers

[SixstringKing]

Yes. It will be similar in action and depends what you mean by "feel". I've found the neck contours to be different. Also they, meaning the rr5 and the Les Paul will be tonally different, being made from different woods.

[my03]

thanks sixstingking. by feel i mean would the rr1t be similar to the lp custom in terms of string bending, string tension, thus how "responsive" the strings are when attacked by the pick etc?

the purpose of this guitar is a to play thrash, so im hitting the strings fast, would the rr1t dominate the rr1 in that respect?

good point about the woods, the lp definatley "growls" more than the rr5 when pluged in to the same amkp with same settings, seems i can get more sustain and gain out of the les paul too, they both have seymore duncans in them, not sure which ones they are though.

i read somewhere that because the rr's are made of alder, a brighter sounding wood, and the tom makes it sound even brighter? thus the rr1t would be a brighter sounding guitar? can someone shed some light on this?

[SixstringKing]

I don't know about the TOMs making it sound "brighter" but I know it has to do with wood density and weight in relation to the tone of the guitar.Take the SL2H-MAH and the SL2H, same specs only one is Mohogany and the other Alder, both will sound differently even though they're the same shape. and hardwear.

[toejam]

......RR1 vs RR1T? As in Recessed Floyd versus Tom Bridge?


...depends on which shape you prefer I guess.


As said, big thing is what bridge height is comfortable for you, as there is a big difference and the angled neck is way more comfy I reckon standing, unless your left hand is longer than your right. Tom bridges are purist, unadulterated rock n roll in the purist sense. Hank Marvin had/has a trem, hell, he even played/plays the same neck angle and bridge position format as an RR1. Basically what these recessed Floyd metallers won't tell you is that secretly, they are basically playing a namby Strat, at least in format.

Look at the roots of the TOM Bridge guitars in the 30's and 50's and then look at who played Fenders...(Excluding mr Jimi, as obviously he was an alien, so he is discounted)

A TOM bridge guitar, now that is a real man's instrument. Its soul is in the roots of the earth spanning back thousands of centuries and the interaction and reasonance, harnessed, shackled even between guitar and player is completely unadulterated and in its purist form. Hence of course, why you can do unison bends so easily on a TOM Bridge guitar.:idea:

I will say this though. If you want to get a ghostly apparition to appear on film but remain invisible to the naked eye, then you must co ordinate the frequency of the light source of your projector with the films frame rate. Works great on CCTV in garages in Christian areas.

If anyone has any bright ideas on what TOM bridge would be suitable for me I can offer up more enlightening random information for free if you want.

You can be a heavy handed muter on a TOM bridge and really attack it. Recessed floyd can be sensitive to this style, unless you fit overly gauged strings and valve springs from a truck engine. Tonally both can be equally good or bad for magic reasons. Depends if you really want a floyd or not and if your style calls for it.

[tomanyjacksons]

Not to mention the differences in scale length.

[Nidec]

Yeah. Scale length definitely affect string bending, string tension. I believe RR1T is 25.5" and Les Pauls are 24.75".

[my03]

thanks for the replies guys, i think ill need to sit down and have a good play of my lp and my rr5fr and decide which i like better. personally i feel less comfortable with the fr, cause i play it less, but if i give it some time, maybe ill learn to love it.

one more question- what strings would the rr1t be set up to run? i was under the impression tom bridge guitars traditionally run 10s and fr guitars run 9s is that true? or are the rr1ts setup to run 10s?

how about the rr1fr? what are they setup to run? i put a set of diadario 9s on my rr5fe and found the floyd bridge pulled way up! man in was pissed! what strings should i buy if i decide to get a rr1fr that will be the closest to the factory strings? i dont want to much up the factory setup cause i bought strings that were way off spec from the factory ones?

Cheers guys

[SixstringKing]

Why can't people just check the manufacturers fugging websites anymore??? Are you that fugging lazy???

http://www.jacksonguitars.com/en-CA/products/productComparison.php?section=guitars

Scroll to the bottom and you'll find your answers!!!!!