Are the japanese Jackson guitars discontinued in Europe?

[RacerX]

Their rooster is getting stronger again

[Hellbat]

We don't know this. We need to stop with the conjecture & rumor and just wait a bit to see how all this shakes out.

I would love to hear about this subject from an official JCMI source, like Bionic, Cannella, etc.

+1

[Special-K]

Just read through the whole thread.

I love the Japanese Jackson.. My first own real guitar that was bought by myself was a Jackson RR3 (2006).
Before new year's I bought myself another one, a RR24 with red bevels and I love it..
I really can't think of any other guitars to buy.. It is just like a family thing.. I love the whole Jackson advertisements and all.
Their rooster is getting stronger again and I hope that Jackson Guitars will rise back up to their glory days!

I hope the production will be resumed ASAP!

[VitaminG]

Nah Ron,
Conjecture feeds drama, and there's nothing like a good drama on an internet board like this!

[Nightbat]

Unfortunately, labor costs would probably be significantly higher than you might think. Maybe not compared with Japan or even Korea, but certainly compared to places like China, India and Indonesia. You have to factor in things like labor unions, OSHA compliance and environmental compliance that make the cost of American manufacturing higher, even if the jobs paid minimum wage.

Yeah, it's tough for the board of directors to live off of $150K a year using domestic labour, especially when they can get $250K if they move production to the 3rd world

[bombtek]

I'm not happy buying an American guitar from a company that pays their employees minimum wage. American production, in general, is shoddy enough.

Yeah, that pride I mentioned would have to take place all the way down to the guy sweeping the floors at night.
I admit my idea is a pipe dream, but one that I wouldn't mind seeing happen. (And not only for this company).

[Axegrinder87]

I'm not happy buying an American guitar from a company that pays their employees minimum wage. American production, in general, is shoddy enough.

[bombtek]

Unfortunately, labor costs would probably be significantly higher than you might think. Maybe not compared with Japan or even Korea, but certainly compared to places like China, India and Indonesia. You have to factor in things like labor unions, OSHA compliance and environmental compliance that make the cost of American manufacturing higher, even if the jobs paid minimum wage. In addition to paying workers a lot less, China is more affordable for manufacturing because they haven't been subjected to nearly the environmental restrictions as the US, they bring in workers from rural villages to work for next to nothing (because "next to nothing" is better than "nothing") and in some cases have these huge factory-cities that can produce every component in a central location rather than shipping things in from hundreds or thousands of miles away.

I think the day could come when that is realistic in the US, but it'd take some

I'm not saying that it wouldn't be more expensive than China, Indonesia, or India, I just wish that they'd be happy with turning a profit, which they would, just not nearly as large a profit. I dunno, maybe it is just too idealistic of me to think that way. Maintain a viable company as well as PRIDE in how and where your product is made. I have no doubt that US manufacturing of the what once was Japanese will NOT be happening, but it would be nice.

[Inazone]

I don't see them LOSING money doing this, what with import taxes and federal fees that they pay to do such business outside the borders. The cost of employing US workers cannot be all that much more (if any , it MIGHT be less) than paying all of those fees for producing a non domestic product and then shipping it back here under their US owned name.

I'm not gonna even pretend to be saavy in the ways of domsetic vs non domestic business practices, but it sure would be nice to see them do it this way and make a profit.

Unfortunately, labor costs would probably be significantly higher than you might think. Maybe not compared with Japan or even Korea, but certainly compared to places like China, India and Indonesia. You have to factor in things like labor unions, OSHA compliance and environmental compliance that make the cost of American manufacturing higher, even if the jobs paid minimum wage. In addition to paying workers a lot less, China is more affordable for manufacturing because they haven't been subjected to nearly the environmental restrictions as the US, they bring in workers from rural villages to work for next to nothing (because "next to nothing" is better than "nothing") and in some cases have these huge factory-cities that can produce every component in a central location rather than shipping things in from hundreds or thousands of miles away.

I think the day could come when that is realistic in the US, but it'd take some

[bombtek]

I got an answer from Charvel about the promods and the Japanese Jacksons.

"The factory we were building these guitars in can no longer keep up with our demand and we are currently looking into other options. Stay tuned!"

Bring it all back home I say (but keep the current pricing the same!).

I mean hell, there are many US companies that manage to stay in business, turn a profit, and stay competitive in whichever market they are in. Is it REALLY that difficult to do so?

I am not opposed to buying Chinese made products. I have many Biyang, Mars, and Altec effects pedals. I just bought a new Charvel DS-2, and I also bought a new AXL 1216 Jr guitar, I bought them because their pricing was much MUCH better than anything comparable that was offered here, so sue me lol. BUT, if given the choice of buying US as opposed to non US, if the pricing was even CLOSE to being comparable, I'd go US all the way.

Given the situation that JCMI sees itself in right now, it is the prime time to search the option of going US and keep their products domestic. I don't see them LOSING money doing this, what with import taxes and federal fees that they pay to do such business outside the borders. The cost of employing US workers cannot be all that much more (if any , it MIGHT be less) than paying all of those fees for producing a non domestic product and then shipping it back here under their US owned name.

I'm not gonna even pretend to be saavy in the ways of domsetic vs non domestic business practices, but it sure would be nice to see them do it this way and make a profit.

[Axegrinder87]

Hmmmm.......

I call bullshit. I can't see sales of Professionals being at an all time high at the moment. And they wouldn't cease production before securing another builder. So yeah, bullshit.

[SimonEriksson]

I got an answer from Charvel about the promods and the Japanese Jacksons.

"The factory we were building these guitars in can no longer keep up with our demand and we are currently looking into other options. Stay tuned!"

[bombtek]

We don't know this. We need to stop with the conjecture & rumor and just wait a bit to see how all this shakes out.

I would love to hear about this subject from an official JCMI source, like Bionic, Cannella, etc.

Nah Ron,
Conjecture feeds drama, and there's nothing like a good drama on an internet board like this!


PS: that was sarcasm. I'm with you. I'm just gonna sit back and see how all this pans out, or wait until an official source lets on as to what's happening.

[Predator1]

I could live with the USA Pro Mods making a return!

[RacerX]

buy them while you can still get them. The future will be limited to the following three options.
1) Buy new from the Custom Shop.
2) Buy used
3) Buy new manufactured in third world countries.

The future of Charvel guitars is looking grim or expensive depending on your budget.

We don't know this. We need to stop with the conjecture & rumor and just wait a bit to see how all this shakes out.

I would love to hear about this subject from an official JCMI source, like Bionic, Cannella, etc.