How did RR's come about to get grover to make him a guitar?

[CHARVEL_strat_81]

I am a big RR's fan and was wondering how randy found out about charvel/jackson? was it from the prior sandoval polka dot V he had built?

[stevieb91]

The Sandoval was first..The story goes he had the sketch for what is now known as "The Concorde" and tried to get Dean to build it and they denied it.. He took it to Charvel, and they thought it was a little "too radical" for the Charvel moniker so they literally wrote "Jackson" on the head stock with a gold paint pen.. At least as I remember the story (at my age anyway)...

[Sephiroth]

The story I've been told is Grover was #2 in the food chain over at Charvel even though he wanted something with his name on it (why do people always have to name things after themselves?). Wayne Charvel didn't want to build Randy's Conchorde because it was too much of a departure from the strat-based guitars Wayne liked building, so Grover jumped in and offered Wayne a means of building it, making money off of it, but without Wayne's name on it by putting Grover's name on it instead.


---and Mike Shannon ended up building it

---while Gover put his own name on it and probably didn't lend himself to building a single part of it

That's the story I've been told. Feel free to let me know if it's wrong.

[silar]

I am a big RR's fan and was wondering how randy found out about charvel/jackson? was it from the prior sandoval polka dot V he had built?

Here's a pretty good article on what happened...

http://www.premierguitar.com/Magazine/Issue/2008/Oct/The_Guitars_of_Randy_Rhoads.aspx

[dg]

The story I've been told is Grover was #2 in the food chain over at Charvel even though he wanted something with his name on it (why do people always have to name things after themselves?). Wayne Charvel didn't want to build Randy's Conchorde because it was too much of a departure from the strat-based guitars Wayne liked building, so Grover jumped in and offered Wayne a means of building it, making money off of it, but without Wayne's name on it by putting Grover's name on it instead.


---and Mike Shannon ended up building it

---while Gover put his own name on it and probably didn't lend himself to building a single part of it

That's the story I've been told. Feel free to let me know if it's wrong.

Wayne was gone as of 11/78. Randy met with Grover to discuss building the guitar in 12/80. Tim Wilson did the build. Grover decided to put his name on it because it was such a big departure from anything bearing the Charvel name.

[Whoopu2]

The story I've been told is Grover was #2 in the food chain over at Charvel even though he wanted something with his name on it (why do people always have to name things after themselves?). Wayne Charvel didn't want to build Randy's Conchorde because it was too much of a departure from the strat-based guitars Wayne liked building, so Grover jumped in and offered Wayne a means of building it, making money off of it, but without Wayne's name on it by putting Grover's name on it instead.


---and Mike Shannon ended up building it

---while Gover put his own name on it and probably didn't lend himself to building a single part of it

That's the story I've been told. Feel free to let me know if it's wrong.

Wayne was long gone by the time Randy came in and Jackson was born. Actually there was never even a "Charvel" guitar built when Wayne owned the business. Under Wayne's ownership, Charvel was nothing more than a parts and repair shop, that had started doing guitar modifications later on.

[len]

"custom inlays designed by Randy"

[Newc]

Grover put his name on it because he figured if it flopped, it couldn't be tied to Charvel.

[decadence5423]

I had a copy of Premier Guitar that had a pretty long and in depth story. You might to be able to find a copy somewhere, it was pretty interesting from what I remember.

http://www.jacksonguitars.com/blog/product-news/premier-guitar-gives-exclusive-look-at-jackson-custom-shop-models/

Edit:

Looks like Premier Guitar has that whole article on their site:

http://www.premierguitar.com/Magazine/Issue/2011/Jul/Builder_Profile_Jackson_Custom_Shop.aspx?Page=1

[Pointy]

"custom inlays designed by Randy"

Randy designed the sharkies??? I didn't know that. Awesome.

[Steel City Psycho]

Here's a pretty good article on what happened...

http://www.premierguitar.com/Magazin...dy_Rhoads.aspx

Very cool article, thanks for posting.

I'm assuming the second guitar was the same as the first, maple with a Duncan Distortion and Jazz too?

[RacerX]

Very cool article, thanks for posting.

I'm assuming the second guitar was the same as the first, maple with a Duncan Distortion and Jazz too?

No, the Concorde was too heavy:

"One of the things that wasn’t cool was the guitar was just too big,” Wilson is quick to point out. “The body shape was just too big and it was made out of maple, so it weighed a ton.”

I don't know what he wings on the black one were - probably poplar or alder.

[MetalHeadMat]

No, the Concorde was too heavy:

"One of the things that wasn’t cool was the guitar was just too big,” Wilson is quick to point out. “The body shape was just too big and it was made out of maple, so it weighed a ton.”

I don't know what he wings on the black one were - probably poplar or alder.

I have read poplar and one person tried to tell me it was mahogany.

[Whoopu2]

I had a copy of Premier Guitar that had a pretty long and in depth story. You might to be able to find a copy somewhere, it was pretty interesting from what I remember.

http://www.jacksonguitars.com/blog/product-news/premier-guitar-gives-exclusive-look-at-jackson-custom-shop-models/

Edit:

Looks like Premier Guitar has that whole article on their site:

http://www.premierguitar.com/Magazin...op.aspx?Page=1

That pic is fucking epic.

[j2379]

I had also heard randy just wanted the difference in the wings to be more pronounced. a bit more radical looking. how much heavier than his LP could it be, its missing a bit more for the trem routes & stuff?

it was Randy's black V and Robbin's black round horn V, that made me want a jackson growing up.

No, the Concorde was too heavy:

"One of the things that wasn’t cool was the guitar was just too big,” Wilson is quick to point out. “The body shape was just too big and it was made out of maple, so it weighed a ton.”

I don't know what he wings on the black one were - probably poplar or alder.