New Pro series!

[beachjammer]

I can't speak for all the Indonesian built Jacksons but my new X Series 7 string is as good quality as any Japan made Jackson I've ever played or owned and I've played alot of them. I've played crappy over-seas Jackson, Ibanez and other guitars but these new X Series are not crappy in my opinion. I wanted a 7 string and I preferred a Jackson. This X series fit the bill and the budget. I would imagine that the new Pro series are as good, if not a level above, the X Series.

[Trem]

yes, having american guitars is better...but that is not the discussion in this thread. personally, i only have USA jacksons....

What i mean is, it should be the discussion, that it is the underlying issue. At least what i am thinking myself when people are bitching about guitars being built in Korea or China or Japan.
Why "imports" at all. People have only grown accustom to there being "imports". You are coming at it from accepting that already - it is reality so fine.. But people were crying about it when they were just Japanese imports remember.

People aren't in their hearts bitching that it's made in India, Indonesia, Korea, China or Japan really so much as it's not built here at home...,
( i think when it comes down to it, or at least should be ) so that's what i think really has been interjected into this discussion from those people.

A lot will still buy them swallowing that lump sure. Some won't on "principal" good for them ( sounds like your one of them). That's all i mean.

I say, Bitch louder, all the time every day about anything related to "import" for any product we can build at home. The "feesability" of building them at home is part of that... The why it's not, and how it's not going to be and why just take it in the shorts and continue the downward spiral?

I'm taking it that far because nothing get's done when people are complacent, begin to accept it, and become Jaded zombies continuing to allow the supports to be knocked from the foundation.



Get to the root of it.


I'll try to make a point of another way to look at it, i don't run Jackson and maybe for good reason, but i think about things like..

Jackson could start making Necks and Bodies here at home ala Warmoth for the Mid range sell them direct while cutting cost by eliminating the middle man and allowing people to put them together themselves.

They still get Jackson quality parts, neck shapes, style ect that makes people like the brand, and are able to get a budget instrument, made at home, while creating at least some jobs as another benefit.

Seems especially since you can't walk into a Guitar Center and find a Jackson on the wall anyway that's not a JS or in the used section period, at least where i'm at. All the times i've walked in to Guitar Center and American Music here and asked about it, the answer is "We Hardly ever get Jacksons" or "we don't deal in Jackson" as in the case of the later :dunno: Little mom and pop shop don't carry them either. They have some Fender Strats, some Godin, even some Fernandez, no Jackson. Or you can order a sight unseen MISome third world country Jackson from Amazon or Guitar Center - or many other of places who don't give a fuck what goes out the door, toss those dice and deal with that crap.


eh,...anyway.

[DarkkWarriorr]

yes, having american guitars is better...

Indeed, especially for the seasoned Jackson owners and loyalists, however if only they were 40%-50% cheaper! I myself would buy one every year just to support the brand, even though my current income isn't sufficient enough for such luxury purchases. Again, if Jackson/Charvel can expand and operate like the Carvin business model, I'd imagine their American production lines and their Custom Shops would pickup a lot more orders and more rock/metal artist would jump into the ad wagon as well.

The current import lines are likely for the new comers who are on a budget and seeking decent features, which is great for both the company and the new fans IMO, but what about us the faithful who don't make a six figure income, do we really need to sell our kidneys nowadays just to buy a Select model or a Custom Shop!!!?

[SimonEriksson]

I was just googling for ''RRMG'' and found a German website listing them.

Now I don't speak German but it says it's made in Mexico.

http://www.musicworldbrilon.de/GitarrenBaesseAmps/E-Gitarren/Heavy-Modelle/RRMG-Rhoads-Matte-Grey::45849.html

[DarkkWarriorr]

I was just googling for ''RRMG'' and found a German website listing them.

Now I don't speak German but it says it's made in Mexico.

http://www.musicworldbrilon.de/Gitar...ey::45849.html

Interesting! Again, the rumor has it that the Dinkys (bolt-on) are made in Mexico, and the rest are in Indonesia, so it could be a typo, or they all are made in Mexico!?

[VanHoosen]

They are listing them as having the FRT-O2000 Floyds as well. I've never played a Mexican guitar before though.

[RacerX]

or they all are made in Mexico!?

It would certainly save on shipping times & cost!

[xenophobe]

My major gripe isn't really any of that, it's the dilution of the brand name with sub $200 crappy imports using the same brand name as the high end stuff that's supposed to sell for $3-4k+.

Brand new Dinky with gig bag for $139 shipped:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/160892798412

The kid that buys that or gets that for a birthday is gonna realize how much of a POS it is and will likely want something better from a different brand because most of the Jacksons they'll ever see are crappy ones at GC.

[DarkkWarriorr]

It would certainly save on shipping times & cost!

If they're building these at the same Fender's facilities in Mexico, I'd say it's a very good thing. I just got me a Fender/Roland GK ready GC-1 Start, and the quality is superb!

[xenophobe]

If they're building these at the same Fender's facilities in Mexico, I'd say it's a very good thing. I just got me a Fender/Roland GK ready GC-1, and the quality is superb!

Mexico plant is easily overseen by Fender corporate... and they put out a pretty decent product. I don't mind MIM at all, and some of them are really great players.

[diablomozart]

ya know...i remember a time when japanese jacksons were considered taboo...hell i used to subscribe to the american is better than japanese...fast forward 10 years later and i own a dr3, custom esp and 3 ibanezes...and the quality on all is rock solid...don't get me wrong...i loved my old charvels and jacksons but at a certain point in my life finances became more important to me than vanity (a luxury i can't afford anymore...lol)...but i do find it funny that people now lament the fact that the japanese jacksons aren't being made anymore...just strikes me as funny how time changes our perspectives...d.m.

[Devotee]

Somebody call the whambulance... All this complaining about USA vs imports is ridiculous. If you want Jackson to follow a business model that you think would benefit the company, become a shareholder or investor. Otherwise, shut the fuck up and take some solace in the fact that the Custom Shop still takes orders. What you don't realise is that Jacksons (import or not) have never had so many options nor features as now. We wanted Jackson to put binding on the old Pro series - they did. We've all been bitching at Jackson to come up with an affordable neck-through - they came up with the X-Series. We wanted Jackson to build an affordable 7-string - they came up with these new SLATs.

A lot of you keep complaining about the JS series and whatnot 'diluting' the brand name, but have you actually played one? And if you have, comparing a $300 entry-level guitar to a $3000 USA Custom is pretty moot... A buddy of mine has a cheap-ass JS30 Warrior; the hardware is crap and the body wood is pretty soft but man, the fucking thing screams and it plays like butter! The stock pickups are great and the neck is incredible. Jackson isn't 'diluting' their brand name, what they're actually doing is something no one else but BC Rich is doing; offering low-priced guitars with top-of-the-line features usually found exclusively on high-end guitars. And Jackson is doing it better. Neck-through construction, binding, EMGs... What Jackson could you buy with those features 10 years ago?

In the most sincere and objective way possible, complaining about Charvels being manufactured in China "out of principle" is hypocrisy of the highest order, when you yourself are being fucked in the ass every day in your very own beloved country, and that your very limited notion of 'freedom' is being slowly squeezed to death by an iron fist gloved in scary terms like "national security", "terrorism" and "economic crisis". It is hypocrisy of the highest order when most likely everything else you own - your toilet, air condition, iPhone, toaster oven, TV, pencil, computer, underwear, dildo, hairbrush, etc. is made in China, Taiwan, Thailand, Korea, Japan, Indonesia, Micronesia, Turkey, Uzbekistan, Uganda, Ivory Coast, etc...

Having said that though, i'm relieved that these Mexican Jacksons (Jacksicans? ) aren't built in Indonesia or India - not because of some sort of ill-founded sense of national pride when it comes to the manufacture of a consumer product - but because all the MIM Fenders i've played were great guitars with a really nice fit and finish and because these aren't supposed to be entry-level instruments. Seems like the price point is about right too.

[BenoA]

^^ I'm with "Devotee" up there!!! And one of those new Jackson badly!!! Damn, some of those avec ebony fretboards!!!

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[flame suit on]I dig both of my JS Jackson!!! I gigged with them!!! They rock!!![flame suit off]

[BenoA]

BTW, according to the German retailer posted above, I haven't clicked on all models, but the one I checked were all made in Mexico, including the neck-thru...

[elrrek]

Mexican Jacksons (Jacksicans? )

Yes! Liking it.