Grover as owner of jackson guitars

[neilli]

Does it have a serial?

[lepard]

Does it have a serial?

Doesn't look like it:

[Nightbat]

Crack head price.

Sure, it's a nice rare guitar... did Randy ever even touch it? One of his recognized stage guitars could probably easily hit $30k, but something that he never used?

You mean the guitar known as the Jackson "Holy Grail" (apart from Randy's used guitars which are unobtainable) for a lot of years isn't worth an exorbitant pricetag?

[neilli]

Didn't one of the early serial Rhoads (first 10) sell for 20k, or am I imagining that?

[xenophobe]

I'd agree. Granted, it's a guitar with a legendary story, but I wouldn't think it'd happen. Granted.....if I had 30k burning a hole, I'd probably consider it lol

Sully

Yeah, you're paying for that sentimental value... stuff like that won't hold it's value let alone gain any. You're buying it for what it is.

You mean the guitar known as the Jackson "Holy Grail" (apart from Randy's used guitars which are unobtainable) for a lot of years isn't worth an exorbitant pricetag?

Oh, I don't disagree... it's certainly a Jackson Holy Grail. Randy never played it. He never even touched it or even looked at it. As a fan of Jackson and Randy Rhoads I would value it higher than any normal Jackson... but $30k (or more) for a guitar he never even handled?

A lot of people can dream and say it's worth that here... if there was someone willing to pay that, it would have sold a long time ago.

[neilli]

Worth is so subjective though - I wouldn't pay $500 for a PCS Rhoads other than to make money out of it, but I understand why they appeal to other folks. At the same time, I'd pay stupid money for guitars that are important to me that 99.99% of guys here wouldn't give a shit about, without any thought of resale. Eye of the beholder...

[Nightbat]

A lot of people can dream and say it's worth that here... if there was someone willing to pay that, it would have sold a long time ago.

Looking at the ridiculous prices of certain Fender and Gibson Signatures (without any history, just straight from the factory), I'd wager the day it will cash in those $30K (before adjusted to inflation)
is closing in

[xenophobe]

What someone is willing to pay and what an item is really worth are two completely different things.

It was never one of Randy's personal guitars. He never played it.

Jacksons aren't highly collectible. For some reason they're not even on the radar of vintage guitar collectors.

[pianoguyy]

'vintage' is considered the 70's and before.
80's should start any day now. Probably 2015-2020.

But any blues lawyer can slow jam on a les Paul. Are they going to need a shredder?

[xenophobe]

I'm sure there's some guy out there willing to pay $10000 for Taylor Swift's dirty panties. That doesn't mean they're worth $10000.

[~K~]

Worth is so subjective though - I wouldn't pay $500 for a PCS Rhoads other than to make money out of it, but I understand why they appeal to other folks. At the same time, I'd pay stupid money for guitars that are important to me that 99.99% of guys here wouldn't give a shit about, without any thought of resale. Eye of the beholder...

BINGO! One only needs to look at the glory days of the JCF to understand this. A once depressed market on charvel was a booming one due to certain collectors driving prices through the roof. People like Slo100, Ralph and myself were buying charvels back in the late 80's early 90's at pawn shop prices. In those early days the deals between collectors were simply done through email and phone. There was no pictures to be sent on the JCF or ebay. In fact one collector "George M" used to send a video tape out of what he owned. I'm sure I still have that somewhere.



Hell my 84 bigmouth cost me a whopping $450. I was once told that a warped neck on one of my stratheads meant nothing because "those guitars hold no collectible value" I disagreed and ask to custom shop to repair it instead.



Then came things like the JCF and the collectors started coming out of the woodwork. Instead of simply picking and choosing what they wanted some would just buy up as much as possible to have the biggest collections. Eventually they started overbidding to beat others which in turn created an inflated market. Then you had others that came in and made it appear they were collecting only to grab cheaper deals and turn them right over at profit screwing over "the bro's" in the process. There became no true "bro deal" anymore because you had to understand the market to not get screwed. (ie fake vs real)



So some will sit and look at that Rhoads and value it at a few thousand while others will see a deeper meaning and feel it's more worth the value to them. something's only worth what someone else is willing to pay for it. Judging by past "over bidding" of the market, there's always a right buyer there. It's just connecting the right buyer with the right seller at the right possible moment.

[lepard]

Anyone know if Clegg still has that guitar or already cashed in ?

[xenophobe]

Then came things like the JCF and the collectors started coming out of the woodwork. Instead of simply picking and choosing what they wanted some would just buy up as much as possible to have the biggest collections. Eventually they started overbidding to beat others which in turn created an inflated market. Then you had others that came in and made it appear they were collecting only to grab cheaper deals and turn them right over at profit screwing over "the bro's" in the process. There became no true "bro deal" anymore because you had to understand the market to not get screwed. (ie fake vs real)

In the end, that collector segment... i.e., pre-pro guys, screwed themselves over because of their pure greed, bullshit and spite and ultimately destroyed the collectors market for those guitars. After that, nobody on the outside really cared. And the fact that some of those big guys were responsible for most of the fab fakes out there pretty much laid waste to the collectability of the real ones. When you have the "experts" selling off fakes as the real deal, they pretty much buried themselves.

I've mentioned this before, but there is a really good novel to be written how a segment of vintage guitar collectors destroyed their own market.

And a thousand people can say how that Rhoads is worth $30k. It may be to them in their imaginations... until someone is actually willing to throw that kind of cash down, it's meaningless chatter.

I think a good, honest valuation of that guitar would easily be $10-15k for a Jackson collector. It's a rare, one-off that Randy helped design... but he didn't play it, it was never his and in the world of collectibles Jackson is mostly meaningless and non-artist owned/played makes a big difference in valuation.

[sully]

Anyone know if Clegg still has that guitar or already cashed in ?

He does.

[Nightbat]

I think a good, honest valuation of that guitar would easily be $10-15k for a Jackson collector. It's a rare, one-off that Randy helped design... but he didn't play it, it was never his and in the world of collectibles Jackson is mostly meaningless and non-artist owned/played makes a big difference in valuation.

Seeing as the last Rhoads reissue sold out at $11K, I would say this one should fetch a good bit more