what's a good jackson model to start with?

[lerxstcat]

Re: what\'s a good jackson model to start with?

Originally posted by mm2002:
Wow, that is a shame lerx. Sounds like we need more John Herrons around today. I'm not knocking any of todays drummers but you have to admit a lot of them sound very mechanical and sterile as compared to the likes of Neil. He wasn't just a drummer..he was an entire rythim section surrounded by more percussion instruments than most drummers have even heard of.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yeah, you're right. Today's guys are specialists, and do one thing really well. Peart is a percussion orchestra, and Herron didn't have quite as much stuff as Peart, but in 1978 he did have the max size green Ludwig Vistalite kit with 26"bass drums, a full set of 8 Roto-Toms, and 3 gongs! I've never played with a drummer with that much! I've been lucky to have played with 4 or 5 drummers that could nail the Rush stuff
pretty damn well, but they all learned it watching John Herron do it, and they were all real good drummers but they didn't have what Herron had, which is, he was on
the same level as Peart, just never hit the big time. I'm sure there are lots of guys of that caliber scattered around the country, but maybe one in any given region, 'cause you don't see' em often.
Man, what memories this brings up! [img]graemlins/headbang.gif[/img]

[micha]

Re: what\'s a good jackson model to start with?

thx lerxstcat!! (where did ya get that nick from btw? does it have a deeper meaning? just beein curius again... [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img] )

well, I don't charge him for tech advise, and even smoking brakes are for free... [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
anytime he's got a question or a prob we fix together and I show him, but we stop lesson for that. don't have a clock to count minutes anyway... a lesson lasts till it's over and if we get to have a good day and have fun a lot it takes an hour longer, if one of us had a bad day, we take a chill out lesson and shift one gear down. I don't give a...
I take care he goes home satisfied, learned something new he likes and enjoys coming back.
I don't ask a lot anyway. giving lessons is not only playing along some songs and after that another one for me...
I do copys, download music he likes and tab down the songs for him, I even do some slowmotion recordings once in a while and burn him an RW-disc when I feel like he needs it.
it's very individual and takes some time in preperation. sounds like an easy buck, but it's mainly own-cost-coverage, and I enjoy learning something on my own by showing him and studying his songs, these lessons keep me going on my own. [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]


to finally clear up about his status; since he had lessons for years, his fingers became quite quick, even tho he's not soloing-experienced.
the only thing I have to do is to "just" show him what his fingers can do, fix some minor mistakes in his technique, and show him how to self educate.
we take listeing sessions and try to figure out some songs together every now and then. I want him to become independent one day, and not a lesson addict.
he get's mainly the basic and not so basic theories and I show him how to explain and understand some new stuff with the help of this knoledge. [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

now he's grown out of his peavy and it's time to get a first jackson for him. [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]
just like a boy who' becoming a man and starts shaving his face first time... [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

sorry if I produced some missunderstandings.

[cryoprison]

Re: what\'s a good jackson model to start with?

aaah, alright. well, thanks for the input Rich. i'll keep that knowledge for next time someone asks about this or something else i might have a helping word or two [what i think would be helping [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] ] on. [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

[micha]

Re: what\'s a good jackson model to start with?

hey cryoprison!! thanks for posting, but I think lerx is right this time.

a second hand USA jackson goes for the price of a new one in US over here, and that's far away from his range since he's still in education. he's about to become a car mechanic, but he doesn't earn that much, he's still getting taught.
you could get five or six imports for the price of a US-jackson.
and the imports are fine instruments and are (at least over here) more guitar for the buck.
he'll be fine for the next years with an import.
and lerx is true, saying he needs a new one NOW.

he's got to pay his driving licence, which takes a lot of cash, and he needs to make a living somehow in the next time anyway. a guitar is not all he needs to live.

I think he'll be happy with an import bolt on. [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

I play imports myself and love'em. the USA models or not THAT far away in playability. you pay for neck and head-bindings, MOP inlays and logo, a better finish and better electronics and trem...
but all that doesn't affect the playability that much.
a US is luxury IMO. stil dreaming of getting one made some day... [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

import jackson are stil way better than most guitars out there. price/performance is unbeatable with imports jacksons. [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]
it will be the more reasonable choice for him.

[micha]

Re: what\'s a good jackson model to start with?

I'd still olike to know what a lerxst is anyway...
got no clue, since I only know the german name of the alice in wonderland creatures...

it's not that invisible smiling cat, is it?

alice in wonderland is a great story. nothing for kids IMO (it still frightens me somehow), but really fantastic.

I once saw a film of it, really well done and freaky.
every scene was like "my god, that's sick!!". [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
felt more like a fools garden than a wonderland for me.

I just remember that card-queen shouting "chop his head ooooooof!!!!!" [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[mm2002]

Re: what\'s a good jackson model to start with?

OK, I feel guilty that I got off talking about drummers and didn't really contribute to this thread so here's my humble opinion of the Import vs US guitars thing. I too think a bolt-on import would be the best thing for this guy. The imports have the price a young beginner can afford plus the quality and playability of any professional guitar ever made. I've been playing guitar for about 28 years and all of my guitars are imports and it's not because I can't really afford a US model, but I can have many very nice axes with money left over to spend on other things I need/want. How could it get better than that! [img]graemlins/headbang.gif[/img]

[Black Mask]

Re: what\'s a good jackson model to start with?

RE: Neil Peart...

Peart was definitely a great drummer, but there are some drummers out today that impress me as well. People shouldn't think of Peart as the alpha and the omega of virtuoso drumming because other people excel at the art of percussion, too.

One of my favorites is Danny Carey from Tool. Scratch that, he IS my favorite. He adds depth and foundation to songs that are almost never in straight-up 4/4 common time. In fact, Tool is known for creating songs that feature constantly shifting dynamics and rhythmic structures. Also, if you've never seen Carey live, you're missing out. Mike Portnoy is another big name among virtuoso drumming.

[lerxstcat]

Re: what\'s a good jackson model to start with?

There you have the evolution of the English language. Beginning a sentence with a conjunction was just unacceptable when I was in school, but I guess widespread usage has made it acceptable now.

I guess if we could jack the thread, no reason you couldn't jack it a bit further, right? That's fair enough.
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[ September 23, 2003, 01:04 PM: Message edited by: lerxstcat ]

[micha]

Re: what\'s a good jackson model to start with?

Originally posted by mm2002:
OK, I feel guilty that I got off talking about drummers and didn't really contribute to this thread so here's my humble opinion of the Import vs US guitars thing. I too think a bolt-on import would be the best thing for this guy. The imports have the price a young beginner can afford plus the quality and playability of any professional guitar ever made. I've been playing guitar for about 28 years and all of my guitars are imports and it's not because I can't really afford a US model, but I can have many very nice axes with money left over to spend on other things I need/want. How could it get better than that! [img]graemlins/headbang.gif[/img]

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">hi mm2002!
no reason to feel guilty at all... you guys seem to have fun and I ran out of questions anyway... [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img]

feel the same about imports btw. [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]


@ lerx; hey baba, was it you?!? [img]images/icons/mad.gif[/img]
some guy bought my DK2S!!! I just wanted to show it to jan today, and; boom!! not availabe!!
I thought "I'd maybe have to do it" would have been a recommendation, I didn't take you by word with that?! [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

serious; if you really got it tell me how it plays?!
it still sounds like a good idea to me and I found some other deals on it... [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]


I'd still like to know what a lerxst is!!!!
I dunno how you can run around with a nickname you don't know the meaning of?
and it kept on buggin me for the whole day... [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
I will do some serius researches tomorrow. if I find out, I'll let you know!!! [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

[lerxstcat]

Re: what\'s a good jackson model to start with?

Yeah Micha, I did order a DK2S-BSTK yesterday. I won't get it 'til Friday though! I didn't know AMS would ship to Europe though! [img]images/icons/frown.gif[/img] I didn't mean to take yours! They have more that are not B-stock though, but $379 instead of $269. The B-stocks have blems, they say. Even at $379 it's a great price, and if you use the 3-payment plan it's only $126.34 per month for 3 months! I'm sure they'll charge shipping on top if it's going to Europe though!

As for Lerxst, if it was good enough for Alex Lifeson it's good enough for me, and I didn't really look into it. You have no idea how much pot I smoked between 1979 and 1996 either! [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] I'm sure there's STILL some in my system, so if I ever knew it became unimportant somewhere along the way. I'm thinking Dr. Seuss kid's books though. :scratch;

[ September 23, 2003, 04:28 PM: Message edited by: lerxstcat ]

[cryoprison]

Re: what\'s a good jackson model to start with?

Originally posted by micha:
hey cryoprison!! thanks for posting, but I think lerx is right this time...

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">this time?! bro, Rich, wrong? i have yet to see that. ohhhh BUT WHEN I DO!!! HEYOOOOOO!!! [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[mm2002]

Re: what\'s a good jackson model to start with?

quote by Cryoprison:
"this time?! bro, Rich, wrong? i have yet to see that. ohhhh BUT WHEN I DO!!! HEYOOOOOO!!!

C'mon guys, its all good. It's not a matter of who's right and who's wrong, it's the fact that we have a cool place to come and hash it out with each other!! If we didn't all have our own opinions wouldn't this board get kinda boring?? I respect everyones opinion whether I agree with it or not.
(and yes lerx....Peart rules!!)
sorry...just had to throw that in there!! [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[cryoprison]

Re: what\'s a good jackson model to start with?

i wasn't rippin' on him, dude! i think Rich is one hell of a stand up guy who's chock-full-o-nuts.. 'er... i mean information. [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] seriously though, i didn't mean to tear 'im down, and to you Rich, i hope ya' didn't take it like that. just a little teasin', s'all. [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/toast.gif[/img]

[mm2002]

Re: what\'s a good jackson model to start with?

Yeah! That's cool Cryo! I think you're all pretty cool myself!! [img]graemlins/toast.gif[/img]

[lerxstcat]

Re: what\'s a good jackson model to start with?

BM, we just got caught up in discussing a
favorite of our youth, and yes, there are many virtuoso drummers out there. Neil is as good as any of them. The guy in Tool, like their music fine and I'm sure he's great, but he doesn't seem to me as
versatile and impressive. The extreme metal drummers are VERY impressive in terms of velocity, but most are one trick ponies. I'm sure some among them are exceptions, but I'm talking the rule.

Mike Portnoy is also great, and half of his chops are direct imitation of Peart.
He would say so himself if he's honest. He had guys like Peart to learn from growing up too, which Peart didn't have.

So again, we were just reminiscing, but since you felt compelled to comment in a
slightly negative way, I feel compelled to reply. No big deal.