Hey, these Deans sure look familiar!

[SweetPete]

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Anyone know what the street price on these Customs is?

[pro-fusion]

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At this point, I think the Soloist/Dinky body has pretty much entered the 'universal lexicon' of guitar shapes, alongside the traditional strat body. Look at all the ESP and Schecters out there that are basically slightly modified Dinky shapes.

Now, the headstock on this Dean, that is another matter. Didn't Jackson threaten to sue anyone who used such an exact copy of the J/C pointy back around 1989-90? ESP and Carvin sure changed them awfully sudden-like at almost the same time. Maybe Fender is more forgiving about these things, but I somehow doubt it...

[buzzsaww]

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A store about 10 mins from me carries those. I was really let down. Very flat/blah sounding for lack of a better word incredibly lacking in sustain as well. It is put together nicely though.

Originally posted by Hotrod:
I dunno, I've heard those play really well, though. I think a couple of board members have some. I've never had the opportunity to try but they might be kind of cool.

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[2Loud2Old]

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Dean used the exact same headstock on it's "Signature Z" series of Super-Strats. around 86,87..

They were neck-through H/S/S and came with chrome pickguards as well as Kahlers and white fingerboards with binding.

Decent guitars that never caught on.


So, in a sense, Dean was ripping off Jackson way back when. This guitar is more a refined version of the original I mentioned.

I'm suprised Buzzsaw didn't like em, I though the one I tried was pretty nice.

[ November 19, 2003, 01:17 PM: Message edited by: 2Loud2Old ]

[buzzsaww]

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haha, we sold a lot of those, i remember them being heavy as hell (weight wise). the one i tried may have been a dud, it's possible. he only had one at the time and hasn't replaced it. it's been quite a while too as far as i know he's the only local dean dealer.

[BigDaddyD]

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Originally posted by mm2002:
Wow..those guitars are sweet. Dean always comes up with the most original designs!
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Did they ever build anything original????

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Um, yeah, the Cadillac, ML, and a few others. Not to mention that their "copies" were better made then the originals "Gibson" and had unique features and better materials. The pic of the guitar you showed, was of a Strat body...I don't think Jackson created that. [img]graemlins/bs.gif[/img]

[shreddermon]

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Originally posted by pro-fusion:
...Now, the headstock on this Dean, that is another matter...

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The common convention I've always understood on this issue is pretty consistent with that. i.e., Headstock shapes can be trademark protected (..or whatever the proper legal term is), but body styles cannot. That's why Fender can - and is - pretty aggressive in preventing other companies from copying stratheads on their guitars, but can't do much about the strat body style itself being imitated. ...Or at least, that's how this layman has understood it.

Now, why Fender has instituted a "no Gibson body styles" policy with Jackson's custom shop is beyond me. [img]graemlins/scratchhead.gif[/img] The only possibility I can think of is that - perhaps - they have a gentlemen's agreement with Gibson where "you don't copy our body styles and we won't copy your's". i.e., Further distinguishing the two companies from each other, and keeping their respective slices of the guitar market from competing with each other.

P.S.- To clarify my earlier posts, I not hacking on these guitars, per se. They might be nicely designed, quality mid-priced axes. I haven't seen nor played them in person, myself. My issue was with creating a production guitar line that basically copies another make's models.

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[dinkyjacksonman]

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[ozzuk1]

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don't Gibson own Kramer now?

I was just wondering, as they do strat copies the focus?? so why can't Jackson do customs?? life isn't fair

[SLY]

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Exactly right. You get a gold star! Gibson has an agreement with Fender, and probably a few other companies, that they don't copy each others main styles.

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It looks like Gibson has an agreement with Fender, but not with with Squier [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] ! That's because of these Squier that I always thought that the fact that Fender forbid custom Gibson shape for Jacksons terribly hypocritical.

[Tezifon]

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fender-gibson are playing the the prisoner's dilemma, in the cheap models are tons of brands doing ripoff so its the same do it or no, but in the high numbers models its clear

[Black Mariah]

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Now, why Fender has instituted a "no Gibson body styles" policy with Jackson's custom shop is beyond me. [img]graemlins/scratchhead.gif[/img] The only possibility I can think of is that - perhaps - they have a gentlemen's agreement with Gibson where "you don't copy our body styles and we won't copy your's". i.e., Further distinguishing the two companies from each other, and keeping their respective slices of the guitar market from competing with each other.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Exactly right. You get a gold star! Gibson has an agreement with Fender, and probably a few other companies, that they don't copy each others main styles.

[doommaker]

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Dean's are really nice guitars, IMO the second best imports around (first being Jackson's). I don't see the big deal if it looks like a Soloist, loads of companies have Soloist knock-offs (ESP, BC Rich, Kramer, the list goes on).

[doommaker]

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Those Squiers are just DeArmond guitars with a Squier logo on the headstock, in person there not very much like Les Pauls at all, there thinner and really, really ugly.