How did the whole JCF guitar series come to be?

[RP]

Re: How did the whole JCF guitar series come to be?

Originally posted by Newc:
As for expanding the series to 50 for 02 or 03, I doubt Jackson would go for that now as it's too large of an order to go unnoticed by the other dealers, who would definately pitch a ***** about being left out of a limited run (which they would think they could mark up to $3000).

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Makes sense.

And like I was attempting to say, it doesn't appear like there's 50 JCFers who are interested and able to purchase an 02 anyway, so attempting to have a run that large might not be feasible anyway.

I mean, at most there's what? 39 people who've either opted in or wish to for JCF-02 (there's 22 spoken for SNs plus eight open SNs and 17 people who've asked to be considered for the eight slots, so that doesn't include people with spoken-for SNs who are opting out for the year).

Thirty is probably the optimal number to guarantee they'll all be sold and series continues, at least based on the current counts. Yes, that leaves some people out, but I don't imagine too many people will be left out who want the guitar and have the means to buy in, so it's not too bad (and I say that as a person who is likely going to be one who's left out). Perhaps Thirty-five in the future.

That said, there is always going to be some prestige, etc. associated with any limited run and those who are in are effectively part of a clique whether they'd like to be or not. The nature of the beast is that some people who want in and can afford to get in are going to be left out because there's just more people than slots. And those left out are likely to feel like they don't quite belong as much as those who are selected to be in. But I don't think that's one of the purposes of the series, of course.

[dinkyjacksonman]

Re: How did the whole JCF guitar series come to be?

Originally posted by RP:
The nature of the beast is that some people who want in and can afford to get in are going to be left out because there's just more people than slots. And those left out are likely to feel like they don't quite belong as much as those who are selected to be in. But I don't think that's one of the purposes of the series, of course. [/QB]

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I want to add my point of views about this.

I have been around since the old EZ board and everytime JCF members talked about JCF01, I always wished I was there when it happened.
I have enjoyed reading what people have said about it.
I visit and post here almost everyday since the day I joined.

When the announcement of open slots came up, I knew I wanted it and wanted to be a part of this because I believe I had to be in.
I love Jackson ,Charvel and this Board. My wife would bullshit on me that I spend too much time visiting here everyday.

I dedicate myself a lot to this board(that does not mean I am important guy here).I try to read everything here and try to post if I can hoping others would enjoy reading my posts or help others.

What I am saying is this,The rest of members who were chosen to be part of this JCF series including the original members from JCF01 are the people Who have been around here giving this board so much fun and alive.

Sorry if you were not in but don't give up.
I waited long enough and I proved my self the time has come to me.

[RP]

Re: How did the whole JCF guitar series come to be?

Looking at the list of others who asked to be included, I can't argue that I should've been in the top eight. There simply were more who had been around longer and posted more often and all of that. So, I'm not going to argue that.

But it's natural that those who weren't included (and this is the second time that somebody's talked as if it was certain they were included, so I'm having to assume that those of us who have heard nothing are not going to be included) to feel left out and to feel like they don't belong as much as those who were selected. And heck, that's probably true in my case. I probably don't belong as much as the rest of you.

I know I've only been here since May, and I know I've not posted anywhere near as much as the vast majority of those who will be in on JCF-02, mostly because I don't know my stuff anywhere near as much as you guys do. I've owned one USA Jackson in my lifetime, and I haven't owned that one for seven years or so. And most of what I know about it is stuff I've learned on here since May. The same goes for Charvels. I've had a few MIJ Charvels, but other than their model names and some basic stuff, I had virtually no clue about them, the company, the history, etc. So, really, you don't want me answering people's questions. And I haven't been comfortable making posts to say "cool guitar" or whatever because I don't feel like that's really contributing (because who cares if some joker from Plano, Texas thinks your guitar is cool.... well, I'm sure we care what Sully thinks, but he's got skins on the board, obviously).

I don't know. There's a dual disappointment to the thing. For one, I was a huge Ratt fan in the '80s. Most certainly my favorite band of the era, and that being my formative years (I was born in 1971), that's a band that has stuck with me over the years. I bought Charvel guitars because Warren DiMartini used Charvels. I admired Jacksons largely because Robbin played them. And so when the Robbin Crosby guitar was announced, I admit I wanted in largely as a link to my own junior high/high school years. I'm not a flying V kind of guy. Give me a strat body if I'm making the choice, but a Robbin Crosby guitar was something different. And it luckily happened at a time when I have been considering a custom shop purchase, so why not take that money and try to get the Robbin guitar instead? Made sense to me. It was never about getting a really nice, limited edition USA Jackson at a lower price than otherwise because if I were going custom shop, the guitar I got would be a lot different. I wanted this one because it was a tribute to a member of a band I have a very sentimental attachment to.

But beyond that, there is a desire on my part to want to belong, to be part of something special. I could have the custom shop make me a Robbin Crosby Big Red, probably not exactly the same as the JCF model, but close enough. But it wouldn't be the same. The JCF guitars are something special beyond just the tribute they pay to the artist and to the history of Jackson guitars. It's a way to share something rare with a very small group of people. That's a big deal. There will be only thirty people in the world who will have these things. And it's really cool if you get to be one of the thirty. (I probably get this whole respect for limited numbers from my father who always manages to tell me how few of a particular car he's buying were made...he collects antique cars, by the way, so I get to hear it a lot).

So, in the end, I'm disappointed. More than I probably should be. And I know it's only going to get more difficult from here on out. I'm sure a Lynch Bengal will be much more sought after (though, to tell you the truth, that would be one I'd want to buy for the looks only. George Lynch and Dokken never did much for me, so the guitar wouldn't mean as much to me on that level as a Ratt-related one.. same with Jake, though I liked Jake better than Lynch) or whatever the JCF-03 ends up being.

But I understand why I'm not going to be one of the ones who gets to participate, so I'm not angry and I don't feel cheated. I'm just disappointed.

But I'm glad these guitars are getting made, and I know everyone who gets one will enjoy theirs as much as I would have, if not more.

[dinkyjacksonman]

Re: How did the whole JCF guitar series come to be?

RP,Don't be so dissapointed YET.
At least Admins has not said there 30slots filled yet.
So until then, let's hope the best.

[Newc]

Re: How did the whole JCF guitar series come to be?

Don't feel bad - my favorite bands are Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath (with Ozzy), Alice Cooper, and a mere handful of others. I was not as much an Ozzy/Rhoads fan as most others here, and I liked RATT for about a year, then got out. I never learned one RATT song. I've got one album - Invasion of your Privacy - because there was one or two songs on it I liked. And I mean it's the album album - vinyl. I haven't replaced it with the cassette or CD because I was just NOT that into them.
I've dabbled in learning some Ozzy/Rhoads stuff, but not as seriously as I did for Zeppelin, Sabbath, Priest, Maiden, Alice, Crue, and the rest.

BUT, I wanted to be a part of the JCF series in the beginning because it was a series with a purpose as far as I was concerned - the guitars that defined Jackson and Charvel - sure there are tons of Soloists, Kellys, King Vs, Rhoads, Fusions, Dinkys, Custom Shop one-offs, etc - but these seemed like the Milestones along the road, or bookmarks in the diary of the company. Had this been "just another collector series", I probably would have gotten one and then got out, but honestly this series means something to me - not so much the people who are associated with the guitars for each year, but the guitar itself and how it represents the only company I actually like enough to remain loyal to.
Even then, I do understand that the model and the player are intertwined.

For that reason, I can't see a Lynch model, because he went straight to ESP right after their first album (IIRC), and a Jake? He stated in an interview that the white one was a Fender with a Charvel logo. He said he wanted that logo on there so people wouldn't buy up all the Strats (I forget what year model it was, but they weren't very collectible or expensive).
The blue and purple were Charvels, but I've seen him with the white one more than the others (Bark At The Moon and Shot In The Dark videos, IIRC) though I've only seen him live once. Did he use them in Badlands? [img]graemlins/scratchhead.gif[/img]

Newc

[RP]

Re: How did the whole JCF guitar series come to be?

No, but the eight are apparently gone, so there's part of the reason I wanted in. So there's already reason for some disappointment.

And looking at the list of those from JCF-01 who opted in on the official call to arms thread coupled with the other people who expressed a desire to be involved who also have been here longer and posted more (and likely contributed more to the board), it's extremely unlikely one of the 30 slots will fall to me.

Mathematically, it's just very unlikely. There appears to be from the posts, at most, four JCF01ers who aren't participating in JCF-02 (and I believe that's if the 12/01 deadline is adhered to. If not, there may be two, at most). If we go by join date, I'd be 7th in line for those four slots. If we go by # of posts, I think I'd be 4th, so there might be a chance there, however small.

But I'm a negative kind of guy, so I assume the worst, especially since I had to decipher the code to determine that I wasn't one of the eight.

[RP]

Re: How did the whole JCF guitar series come to be?

Originally posted by Newc:
For that reason, I can't see a Lynch model, because he went straight to ESP right after their first album (IIRC), and a Jake? He stated in an interview that the white one was a Fender with a Charvel logo. He said he wanted that logo on there so people wouldn't buy up all the Strats (I forget what year model it was, but they weren't very collectible or expensive).

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That makes sense. I was just using them as examples since that's what others have been throwing out. The consensus seems to be that it's going to be a superstrat of some sort. So my point is still the same that's the competition for slots is likely to be higher for that model than for this one. Certainly all those who say their opting out of competing for a JCF-02 slot for height reasons will be back in.

Plus, for me, unless it's a guitar that's identified with a guitar player I have a connection to, I doubt my interest would run as high as it does for this one. I mean, if I had a JCF SN, I would continue to buy for looks/historical reasons, but my desire to own the particular guitars might not be as high.

[dinkyjacksonman]

Re: How did the whole JCF guitar series come to be?

Originally posted by Newc:

The blue and purple were Charvels, but I've seen him with the white one more than the others (Bark At The Moon and Shot In The Dark videos, IIRC) though I've only seen him live once. Did he use them in Badlands? [img]graemlins/scratchhead.gif[/img]

Newc

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">He did use the Purle one a lot on 1st Badlands Tour.
The blue one was a backup guitar.

[RP]

Re: How did the whole JCF guitar series come to be?

I just realized, this is my whole "trying to get into the University of Texas" thing all over again. [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

[RP]

Re: How did the whole JCF guitar series come to be?

Originally posted by RP:
If we go by join date, I'd be 7th in line for those four slots. If we go by # of posts, I think I'd be 4th, so there might be a chance there, however small.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">And now that someone else with more posts and a longer tenure on the JCF has expressed interest, you can move me down another slot.

So yeah, it's pretty much a done deal, in my opinion, that I'm not going to make it in.

[VitaminG]

Re: How did the whole JCF guitar series come to be?

I wouldn't give up hope just yet. Chances are, one of the "chosen" will have their personal circumstances change before final payment is due, and they may drop out. Or once the guitars have been delivered, they may find that Big Red just isn't for them and let it go in the Classifieds. Not everyone who owns a JCF-01 is one of the original 25. Some have since bought them off the original owners.

[RP]

Re: How did the whole JCF guitar series come to be?

Yeah, but like I said, a whole lot of people have to opt out before you get to me, which is a totally fair way to do it. While I would personally like to be pushed ahead of some others, it wouldn't be fair to them to handle it that way. So just based on the people who expressed interest, there are a lot of people ahead of me.

And about what dinkyjacksonman (I think) said about being patient, etc. for next year, I fully expect it to be harder, rather than easier, to get in to the series in future years.

I mean, I would think it unusual to have three people drop out of the series as happened between JCF-01 and JCF-02. There were special circumstances - the death of the series and the long time before resurrecting the series, the move from ezboard, apparently, etc. - and still only three slots came available.

There happened to be another five slots available because of the addition of 5 new slots, but that's a situation that may well be unlikely for next time since the project has to be kept on the down low lest other dealers get wind and start complaining.

So, next year, we may see one or two available slots. And we've already got a couple of people who would be considered ahead of me (been here longer, post more often) who want in on the numbers but just didn't want in on JCF-02. So those slots, especially if JCF-03 is a superstrat, are going to be very competitive before I would even come up on the list.

So really, the only way for someone in my situation to get in on the series would be to buy someone's slot from them, and I don't even know how likely that is (since, like has been mentioned before, most people who sold their JCF-01s did so only after the series was pronounced dead).

I know it probably comes across like me whining, and I may be whining. But I'm just trying to be realistic about my chances both today and in the future. But I appreciate the attempts to make me feel better. [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

I'm certainly not going to get my hopes up, though, because the odds are extremely long. And I've already been disappointed once (and I don't think I can overestimate the level of disappointment. I don't know why it's got me down so much, but it has), I don't want to feel the same thing again a few weeks from now and four to six months from now and a year from now, etc.

[RP]

Re: How did the whole JCF guitar series come to be?

Better to give up now and then be pleasantly surprised in four to six months or so if one comes available because it'll drive me crazy if I spend all that time expecting it.

Plus, it was my understanding that many of the people who sold their JCF-01s were ones who sold only after it became clear the series was dead.

[~K~]

Re: How did the whole JCF guitar series come to be?

while we haven't made an official announcement yet I will say this .. there is a chance people will opt out when they get their details .. every slot is not set until the final payment is made ...