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  • It is all in the marketing

    It seems to me that one of the reasons that people will spend almost 2x a much for an ibanez or esp guitar that may or may not be made to the quality of jackson lies in the marketing of these companies.

    Jackson has a porn star dry humping a guitar for their pictures and esp and ibanez focus on musicians that play those guitars.

    Esp and ibanez also seem to focus on mainstream players as well in who they target. Jackson seems to focus on the bad boy metalhead and leave all the others alone to buy elsewhere, i dont understand this.

    Jackson makes some of the best mass produced guitars on the market and yet they are not too well known and people are spending more for guitars that are not as well made.

    I understand Jackson's history and who really plays most of them but even jackson swag has this bad boy attitude about it. What is with this "original sin" stuff?

    I remember when the logo was enough. If Jacson wants to move into a bigger market market to the average player that wants a great guitar for what ever they play musically.

    As for endorsers i dont care about them who cares what dave mustaine or anyone else plays what is important is that the guitar works for the player that plays it not the stars that play it. I mean i love Richie Sambora but i played one of his signature strats and hated it same with zakk wylde's les paul. the jackson line suits me and i coud care less who plays them i would just like to see more average players with them and that will only happen when jackson markets to those of us that are not pure metalheads as well as those that are.

    The reputation that jackson has is as a metal guitar only and that is not the case but it is jackson's fault for not marketing their guitars as anything else, But im more upset that a porn star is part of the campaign i dont know what a slut has to do with selling guitars ibanez sells because they show steve vai playing one or they show just the guitar with some specs same for esp, prs, ovation, martin and the list goes on. Jacksons can sell themselves they dont need all this oter crap to do it.

    Thank you for letting me rant [img]graemlins/rant.gif[/img]

  • #2
    Re: It is all in the marketing

    Originally posted by MirandaM:
    Jackson has a porn star dry humping a guitar
    <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">*I* didn't see any dry humping going on! [img]graemlins/brow.gif[/img]

    Got a video? [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]
    "Quiet, numbskulls, I'm broadcasting!" -Moe Howard, "Micro-Phonies" (1945)

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    • #3
      Re: It is all in the marketing

      [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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      • #4
        Re: It is all in the marketing

        Personaly I am just fine with Jackson staying in the niche 'real' metal market.

        The day Jackson is endorsing people like ESP is the day we know they've gone down the toilet. I'm all for some good publicity, but I think Jacksons are Jacksons. They are THE bad ass metal guitars and always have been - and I think the company is great catering to that market above others. I know alot of people wouldn't have it any other way.

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        • #5
          Re: It is all in the marketing

          Man, I always hit that reply with quote button on accident. [img]graemlins/brow.gif[/img]

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          • #6
            Re: It is all in the marketing

            I think the man has a point you know. I'm not suggesting that Jackson run out and "buy" a bunch of cookie-cut nu-metal "whatever is popular at the moment metal" players to increase the profile of the brand but I'm not entirely happy with the way the advertising is sitting.

            Hmmm, what to do?

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            • #7
              Re: It is all in the marketing

              So the problem you're having, is that the girl in the advertisement also happens to be a porn actress? [img]images/icons/rolleyes.gif[/img]

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              • #8
                Re: It is all in the marketing

                Nice Berserk avatar Mordor! [img]graemlins/headbang.gif[/img]

                On to the topic at hand... Now that FMIC owns the Jackson brand, I don't think they care that Jacksons are most popular for only metalheads. In fact, I think that is exactly what FMIC wants. It seems all of the marketing that FMIC has done since buying Jackson has been to move Jackson further into the niche it was already in (ie, the new evil looking website, the pornstar advertisement, the new evil swag,...). I feel that FMIC bought Jackson to have a stronger position in the metal guitar market and they have no desire to move it out of that market. The Fender and Squire brands already do great in the mass market. Would metal-playing celebrity endorsements increase market share and brand recognition? I think yes. Would an ad campaign focusing on a non-metal player for blues or for country help sell guitars? I don't think so. It would probably alienate more people than it would bring in.

                At the end of the day, I am satisfied with Jackson's place in the market. Who knows... Maybe if they had a bigger market share their guitars would not be made so well. Jenna did not make me buy my latest guitar anymore than Steve Vai did. If you want to get into an image vs. quality debate, ESP and Ibanez have a great image, but Jackson still makes better guitars. nuff' said.

                -Mike

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                • #9
                  Re: It is all in the marketing

                  Bingo! That's exactly my gripe with Jackson these days. I love hooters as much as the next guy, but let's face it, it's infantile and tacky, and I'm sure it turns off a lot of pontential customers. We all know and love Jacksons for their build quality and glorious history, but these ads just suggest that we're a bunch of misogynistic knuckle-draggers. If thats cool with some of you, fair enough, I guess I'm just getting old and crotchety!

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                  • #10
                    Re: It is all in the marketing

                    Hooters are never just infantile or tacky, they are SO much more.

                    Chuck
                    "Those who know what's best for us, must rise and save us from ourselves!"

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                    • #11
                      Re: It is all in the marketing

                      Originally posted by iced_earth:
                      Nice Berserk avatar Mordor! [img]graemlins/headbang.gif[/img]

                      <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thanks Iced!Berserk is an awesome manga!Hails to Miura! [img]graemlins/headbang.gif[/img]

                      Regardin Jackson's position in the guitar market,well,I'm happy that they does not appear as the mass trendy guitar brand.If I see someone that play Jackson I think that he chose his/her guitars cos he played and he liked it,and maybe cos he/she is one of the old golden shred era!Not cos a bunch of fatasses use them.I hope Jackson never do the same as ESP.Just my opinion.

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                      • #12
                        Re: It is all in the marketing

                        I think Jackson has played it smart to be UNLIKE ESP. Let's face it, when this kiddie nu-metal crap fad is over ESP will have to basically ditch ALL THEIR ENDORSERS besides the old guys and completely re-do their line!!! Not to mention try to knock off the nu-metal stigma which will be much worse than the 80's metal stigma IMO.

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                        • #13
                          Re: It is all in the marketing

                          On one hand, I've been saying the same thing for a while - Jackson will die if they stay in one market - but on the other, I see "old news" players like Vai and Lynch doing the ESP/Ibanez routines and their stuff just doesn't have the appeal it used to. Seriously, today you can find 30 people in a crowd of 100 guitarists that cannot shred - the other 70 will stand around yawning at each other as they shred away. Shred simply is not impressive like it used to be, and Vai, Lynch, Satch, Yngwie, etc are carrying a smoldering torch.

                          It's time to move into the mainstream and compete with PRS, Ibanez, Gibson, ESP, and yes, even Fender, for the same players. Dave Murray has played Metal on a Strat for decades. Ritchie Blackmore, Yngwie, Eric Johnson, they've all established that Strats are good for shredding. Fender didn't have a weak presence in the Metal/Shred market, they had competition from Jackson and BC Rich because of their radical pointy designs which were more visually suited to Thrash and "Evil" Metal.
                          Today those radical pointy designs are more like props in a horror show - you gotta have the glow in the dark body paint and wierd costumes to play a Warlock or King V or Warrior or Bich. People point and laugh at the Alice Cooper wannabes with their laughably pointy guitars, and they ooh and aahh over the traditionally-shaped PRSs and ESPs and such with nicely figured tops and all that.
                          Jackson has the skill to compete in those markets and make enough money to still feed the Metalheads.
                          Anyone who would leave Jackson simply because they had a successful line aimed at the Non-Metal crowd is a fucktard that really hurts Jackson's chances of becoming Top Dog.

                          See, the idea is to have Jackson gain a strong marketshare with which they can separate from the oppressive rule of a parent company, and establish their own domain instead of being a lowly "by-product" of said parent company that has to beg for scraps from the master's table.

                          Newc
                          I want to depart this world the same way I arrived; screaming and covered in someone else's blood

                          The most human thing we can do is comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable.

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                          • #14
                            Re: It is all in the marketing

                            You don't like the porn queen doing the advertising?
                            Well, blame Sid.
                            It was his idea, ya know. [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

                            I don't care for it myself.
                            But I know why the are doing it.
                            It appeals to the kids who want to be rebellious.
                            Get the kids hooked and get them to love your product.
                            Potential customers for life.
                            It's just business.....

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                            • #15
                              Re: It is all in the marketing

                              Actually, Jackson has gained in popularity quite a bit in the last several years, ESPECIALLY in the metal scene, and moreso in Europe than over here.

                              Jackson has NEVER been a mass appeal instrument, even back in the old days, Charvel/Jackson was battling it over for THE METAL SCENE with BC Rich, and they were battling for the METAL SCENE ALONE!

                              Sure, Jacksons are far more versatile than they look, but the Metal market is where they belong. Jackson isn't going to die. Fender wouldn't have bought them out if that were the case. Whatever you might want to call the corporate heads at FMIC, they are not stupid, and they see the potential that Jackson will hit in the future, and they appear to be marketing correctly.

                              Check out this year's Ozzfest... I don't know all the bands that MIGHT be playing Jackson, but guaranteed there will be more than a few on stage. Jackson WILL get their spot back in the limelight, but don't wish too hard... if demand goes up much higher, you might have to pay the same amount for Jacksons dollar for dollar quality wise as any other brand.... then you'll be paying $2000+ for a USA Select and probably over $5000 for a custom.

                              Why the hell was it, even when Jackson was being run into the ground by AMIC, that it would take you a YEAR to get your guitar? Sure mis-management was part of the problem, but the other part of the reason is because Jackson USA is STILL popular in the scene it is in, and CONTINUED to be played by so many underground names.

                              Also, if you look into Jackson's roots, it's in METAL. Fender acknowledges that and it's driving them.

                              Jackson will never be a recognized or respected name in many other genres than it currently is. To think that they could gain "mass appeal", is like trying to market Cadillacs to high school kids! It's NOT GONNA HAPPEN. PERIOD.
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