evh guitars way overpriced

[Tekky]

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I have to apologize. My comments can be viewed as snide. It's not my intent. My intent is to inject a little humor into the situation.

[Morgan Ringwald FMIC]

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It's cool and not taken that way ... just clarifying [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

M-

[shreddermon]

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...Very little. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

j/k, man! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[-=RkR=-]

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I'm afraid I'm also in the $400 in parts/$2600 logo camp. I've said the same thing about these silly Les Paul re-issues that Gibby is doing... You'd think that Gibson and Charvel both have some witch doctor imparting "Mojo" on them as they roll off the assembly line. This crap all started when guys in suits started "Investing" in guitars instead of guitar players PLAYING them. It just boggles the mind that someone would pay $3000.00 PLUS for a mass-produced hunk of wood, or worse $100,000 for an OLD piece of wood. And yep, in the end it's still only a hunk of wood with some wires on it.
Silly. Absolutely SILLY.
Just my 2cents...
Flame away!

[stevenh]

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Sanding,Painting,Buffing,Fret work,Electronic,Assembly,Gluing of wood etc ..IS handmade.


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Please enlighten me. Who or what is slotting the fretboard? Who's profiling, tapering and radiusing the neck? Who's routing the trem, pickup and neck cavities? Who's rounding the edges of the body?

Fact is, machines are doing most if not all of the cutting. Gluing in inlays, installing frets, and soldering wires, and gluing body blanks together does not mean it's handmade. By your standards, the finger that pushes the button on the CNC machine means it's handmade. You think way too much of these guitars. I guess all Chinese, Korean, and Mexican guitars are handmade because some one sands them and paints them.

Yes, my standards for handmade go beyond someone just touching the wood, or putting some glue on it.

[Grandturk]

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In the grand scheme of things, $3000 for a guitar really isn't that much at all. I mean, think about buying a used car for $3K - for one, its going to need a lot of money poured into it to keep it running, and in the end, eventually it will stop running completely. On the otherhand, a guitar needs very little work outside of string changes and the occasional fret dress or refret after a few years. In the end, a properly maintained guitar will outlast you - that's why we see 50 year old Gibsons commanding high dollars. Will a 2004 Charvel command the same kind of money? No, but it will still be completely usable in 2054. Not bad for $3000.

[Tekky]

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Sanding,Painting,Buffing,Fret work,Electronic,Assembly,Gluing of wood etc ..IS handmade.


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Please enlighten me. Who or what is slotting the fretboard? Who's profiling, tapering and radiusing the neck? Who's routing the trem, pickup and neck cavities? Who's rounding the edges of the body?

Fact is, machines are doing most if not all of the cutting. Gluing in inlays, installing frets, and soldering wires, and gluing body blanks together does not mean it's handmade. By your standards, the finger that pushes the button on the CNC machine means it's handmade. You think way too much of these guitars. I guess all Chinese, Korean, and Mexican guitars are handmade because some one sands them and paints them.

Yes, my standards for handmade go beyond someone just touching the wood, or putting some glue on it.

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JCMI Employees. As was said before, we went on the tour. The CNC machines rough out the bodies and necks. Everything else is done by people, sometimes with the aid of machines. Fret slots are done by a specialized saw (it looks like a circular saw, with many parallel blades) but the frets are done by hand.

My goodness, do you really think that little of people who work in a factory?

[~K~]

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Hmm ..Fretboards are cut with slitting saws ..just like they always have. Profiling a neck ..CNC Routing, Tapering and finishing by hand. Routing the cavities I don't recall ..(tekky might be able to answer that) some of which might still be done by hand.....

I don't think way too much of these guitars.. But it does bother me when someone who obviously has no idea what manufacturing a product takes makes an uneducated blanket statement as you have. Have you actually seen the shop? Have you seen the people there building guitars?

BTW I never said the finger that pushes the button means handmade at all .. I stated that the CNC work is a very small part of what it takes for those guitars to be made. And your taking away from the entire process and labelling it improperly

It really kills me when someone detracts from the skill craftsmanship and knowledge it takes a craftsman to make something by degrading it in such a fashion as you have.

BTW I'd be willing to bet you if these same people were making guitars in the fashion that you describe, then you would be here complaining that the guitars were $4000 .. because on the end it's still about them making money ..

[markb]

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I would simply consider the guitars a modern hybrid manufacture, like PRS or Anderson or a lot of others. Machine cut, hand assmbled and detailed. The end result isn't fully handmade or machine made, but combines the best of each. I think the new Charvels are overpriced, since they don't offer the same standards of materials or complexity of other guitars in the price range. The material components are pretty frickin' cheap in this case. No extensive wood sourcing, no upper grade tops, no expensive woods, average neck/body join standards; just alder/basswood and a floyd. I would say the Charvels should rightly sell for the same price as a Deluxe series strat. Most pointies had more than one pickup, from what I've ever seen, so I think the San Dimas model should come as 2 HB standard. The ebony board seems out of place, I think rosewood would be more appropriate, it would have less of the overly bright spank of an ebony/maple/alder combo. The EVH production model...hmmmm...he's been associated with a lot of companies now. This doesn't seem very exclusive, or even authentic, in 2004. But it's a collector guitar, and demand should dictate the price. To look at the components of the guitar and wonder if it is a good value...that doesn't make any sense. All of it's value comes from it's collectability, and none of it from the materials in this case. My .02

[hippietim]

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So they are really going to use basswood on these? Granted I own an EBMM Axis super sport that is basswood and sounds great but it has a maple top. I've owned Ibenhads with basswood and duncans in them and have never got a good sound out of them. Is this an Eddie thing? Or a cut costs thing.

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No way is this about cutting costs. Believe it or not, good basswood is a great tone wood. There is crap basswood out there just like there is crap mahogany.

[Morgan Ringwald FMIC]

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Not trying to be snide, but I have a couple of questions ...

If a small guitar builder used a band or jigsaw to cut the rough body shape of his guitar, is it not "hand made"? Does it have to be chisled out of a log or block of wood?

Same about the fret slots ... is it wrong to use circular saw?

About the neck shape, do you really think the smaller manufacturers do this by hand? At the very least, a lathe is used.

Really, not trying to be condescending, but in guitar building, machinery of some sort is a must, or else you end up building one or two guitars a year. I don't know any smaller manufacturer that can survive on one or two guitars a year.

M-

[Souldigger]

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that's it! i'm starting a new guitar company.... i'll employ the amish, and they'll finally be legitimately hand built instruments! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

sully

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[hippietim]

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One question though... If one uses teeth to gnaw down the tree, does that still null and void the hand-made claim and render them, "tooth and hand made"?

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I believe it is still considered hand made as long as you don't have braces.

[~K~]

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One question though... If one uses teeth to gnaw down the tree, does that still null and void the hand-made claim and render them, "tooth and hand made"?

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I believe it is still considered hand made as long as you don't have braces.

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[~K~]

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Morgan .. you said exactly what i'm trying to convey but in a much simpler form ... thanks ..