Got my car broken into this weekend

[sworn_enemy]

Re: Got my car broken into this weekend

I was a cop for 12 years and had to retire after a car accident. I can say, without reservation, that you are correct in your statements. Personally, I can't stand most cops and I felt that way while I was one too. The whole, cop persona/attitude/arrogance/whatever, is really fairly disgusting, especially when you are looking at it from the inside. But to keep this thread on the right track, I would very much recommend that he make sure to contact the PD several times a week to see if any progress has been made....get a copy of the report(s)....see if they recovered any evidence and what they did with it (lab, evidence locker, etc). If the suspect(s) got into your glovebox, and they almost always do, the cops should have taken the top and bottom papers if, in fact, you had a stack of documents in there like 99% of people do. I pulled prints off of paper many. many times and it is quite easy to do. If they handled any of the docs, the top and bottom ones are most likely to have prints....offer to come in and provide elimination prints which, if they took any prints as evidence, they can eliminate yours from any suspect prints. Anyone else who may have access to your car should also provide elim. prints. Did the cops dust any part of the car? Whenever we had a BFA (burg from Auto), we always made an attempt to dust likely areas. If we didn't, we'd get our asses chewed. All of us had small printkits we carried in our squads.
When you call them, see if any of this was done....it should be documented in any report that was made. Ask if anything was sent to a lab for if any prints were run....Be polite of course...see if the report was assigned to a detective. I don't know how big the city is where you had this happen but many larger depts don't take things like this as far as they could. My wife's sis had her car broken into in St Louis and I was shocked at how little was done by the patrol officer who took the initial and what happened to the perp (literally nothing)

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Shit, when my car got broken into the cops wouldn't even come to my house to fill out a report. It happened right in my driveway. I figured they would at least want to check out the scene but no I had to drive it to the police station with a smashed window. They barely even looked at it. Just asked my what got stolen out of it and wrote it up. I lost almost 100 cd's, a $350 stereo, $200 speakers, and a $50 watch. They told me they would contact me if they found anything....yeah right!

[Hamner1]

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I've come to the conclusion that unless someone dies or the car itself was stolen, not much will be done, unless you do the footwork yourself. Kind of sad that the PD have become glorified security agents.

[charvel pointy head]

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Well your not going to believe this shit. I got the car back last monday and the little fucks did it again!!! yesterday, during the day, I was away from the house for an hour, had my 1911 on my person (missouri a ccw state now thank god) and my wife was home w/ our son, I was out w. our daughter. This time the cops came. Couple of cool guys who in no uncertain terms said they'd look the other way if I happened to baseball bat the little fackers. Turns out that a couple of the mexican ( meaning mexican, NOT mexican americans) gangs around KC are stealing or attempting to steal Chrysler products city wide right now. I guess they are stealing them, joy riding, then dumping them. Unfortunately the stupid Facksticks don't realize that the newer ones are unable to roll w/out the chip in the key. They got it started and it died about 30 yds away from my house in the middle of the street. Cops said around KC, because of the Politically correct city council, Jackson cty will not prosecute these assholes. To top it off, according to these cops, these pussy "gangbangers" are between 10 and 15 years old for the most part. All I'd feel good about doing is giving them a good spanking. Fackers!!!!!!!!

[tmdiamond]

Re: Got my car broken into this weekend

Charvel Pointy Head, I didn't realize you were right across the state from me. Pretty cool.
What's not cool is that the police did little the first time and that it has happened again.
My department is an Illinois suburb of St Louis and had a pop of 15k residents but 100k if you count the transient shopping public. We were able, because of massive tax dollars from retail business, to equip our officers with top of the line gear, training opportunities, and special units like auto theft. My dept was ultra-politically correct but they took every single complaint as an official, written investigation where you, as the officer, HAD to exhaust any and all possibilities before sending it up to detectives, where i worked for 2 or 3 years. Some bigger depts just are too busy, understaffed, or there are so many incidents taking place, having to write up and investigate another BFA is futile (for them, of course). They also probably know that the little bangers will undoubtedly get off with a light scolding.
I will add that I was also certified by the state of IL as a Gang Crime Specialist. That's a sugar-coated way of saying that I took a training regimen where old politically apponited "cops" who have never set one foot as a street cop teach us how to identify gang members, the "languages", signs, activities, "colors"...I was considered an expert witness as far as the midwest gangs go; Crips, Bloods (initially, transplants from the west coast), GD's,, BGD's, BD's, Latin Kings, etc.
Even though these kids are 10-15 years old, if they're wanna-be bangers or real bangers, they can still be dangerous. I'm sure I don't need to suggest that going after them can turn out bad.
Good luck bro.

[charvel pointy head]

Re: Got my car broken into this weekend

where were you a cop? My grandpa was a detective in Granite City for like 20 years. Yeah I know what you mean about the gang bangers. If I went after them, I'd definetly play for keeps and fuck there world up. My buddy who is a local cop said that he and his buddies are already going ot make trouble for the bastards. Problem in this town, which is run by the inner city types is that they can't get any support from teh prosecutors office. In fact a couple of weeks ago they tazered a 6 foot tall 200 lb woman at a drug house who was honking the horn to warn her little kiddies who she happened to be the grandmother of. You know how the media plays it? Mean old cops tazering a sweet old grandmother. They should have shot her. This country is going in the fucking toilet and there is not a damn thing being done about it. I'm a conservative republican but I will NOT vote for Bush because sure as the day is long, he's gonna renew that assault weapons ban and grant amnesty to the illegal alien scum that are very definetly ruining my city.

[tmdiamond]

Re: Got my car broken into this weekend

Holy Cow! I was with Fairview Heights PD which is probably 20 miles south of Granite City. When was your G-pa a cop there? Since the majority of post-academy training is handled thru something called Silec, all the metro St Louis depts train together as classes are offered. There's always the possibility that I knew of him.
Yup, same problem here. St Clair County (E. St Louis, Fairview, Belleville, and a bunch of ghetto towns) is hugely Democrat which is consistent with the demographics. Madison County, where Granite is, is also largely democrat. Our state's attorneys office is notoriously difficult to work with. When I was in detectives, I handled all sex crimes, juvenile offenders and victims, child abuse and neglect, and of course, child sex cases along with the adult ones. I could have a beautiful case, all nice and tidy, and any reasonable person (reasonable is THE key word here) would issue a warrant on a suspect. But the SA office would always come up with something that was largely circumstantial and lean on that point to deny a warrant or "take it under advisement". It happens more on drug cases. Example.....I pull over a car for a traffic violation, walk up, and as the driver opens the window, a plume of pot smoke pours out. Based on my experience, I recognize it as such and have everyone get out of the ride. Not even considering the condition of the driver and passengers (bloodshot eyes, behaviors, etc.), you'd think that the dense pot cloud would be enough to detain them for a bit. Yeah, a search of the car would be iffy since you can't really say that you have reason to believe there's more in the car. In this case, the officer searched and found a baggie full in plain view (not concealed) and arrested all. SA declined to issue citing no probable cause to search. HELLO, a fukking POT CLOUD seems like probable cause to believe there's something in the car....residue???? At the very least, he or she should have tested the driver for DUI, arrested for that, and inventoried the car (read, searched) prior to towing. So he or she doesn't nail the passengers, big deal. You could probably justify a pat-down for "officer safety" while you're handling the stop. Maybe find a crack pipe or pistol or something else incriminating. my point.....prosecutors make cops jump thru hoops....more than is legally required...before issuing warrants of arrest, search warrants, etc. That's probably what leads some cops to break the rules, conduct illegal searches, and other BS. It's all in the name of the almighty conviction rate and that is a fact. The prosecutor wants to say he or she has a 97% conviction rate come election time. What they don't tell the lay public is that 90 out of 100 cases are plead to a lesser charge and considered convictions. That number may be off a bit but the vast majority of criminal cases never go to trial. Most are plead out. Ask the lawyers here....I think Yet Another One might be and maybe L. Can't remember though.

[jacksonface]

Re: Got my car broken into this weekend

yo Dude, this is 2004. Hello, pot should be legal now. If you disagree then you are a really sad excuse for a law enforcement official.

Really. I think I'm not alone when I say I'd like my tax dollars and law enforcement capability spent in actually important ways.

Smoking dried plants isn't one of those important ways. Period.

Unless you have some personal lifestyle agenda, in which case you shouldn't be allowed to be a cop, or even carry a firearm, since you would be unbalanced.

[VanOsbourne]

Re: Got my car broken into this weekend

I have alot of friends of mine about the country that are in law enforcement. Most of them (almost all) believe that pot should be legal, but... they still have to do thier job. And more than I would like to admit, smoke the shit themselves.

[lerxstcat]

Re: Got my car broken into this weekend

Well, even if you feel pot should be legal, it should still be illegal to drive under the influence of anything.

Granted it's not as impairing as booze, but still it's a bad idea to drive on any drug.

[charvel pointy head]

Re: Got my car broken into this weekend

Originally posted by tmdiamond:
Holy Cow! I was with Fairview Heights PD which is probably 20 miles south of Granite City. When was your G-pa a cop there? Since the majority of post-academy training is handled thru something called Silec, all the metro St Louis depts train together as classes are offered. There's always the possibility that I knew of him.
Yup, same problem here. St Clair County (E. St Louis, Fairview, Belleville, and a bunch of ghetto towns) is hugely Democrat which is consistent with the demographics. Madison County, where Granite is, is also largely democrat. Our state's attorneys office is notoriously difficult to work with. When I was in detectives, I handled all sex crimes, juvenile offenders and victims, child abuse and neglect, and of course, child sex cases along with the adult ones. I could have a beautiful case, all nice and tidy, and any reasonable person (reasonable is THE key word here) would issue a warrant on a suspect. But the SA office would always come up with something that was largely circumstantial and lean on that point to deny a warrant or "take it under advisement". It happens more on drug cases. Example.....I pull over a car for a traffic violation, walk up, and as the driver opens the window, a plume of pot smoke pours out. Based on my experience, I recognize it as such and have everyone get out of the ride. Not even considering the condition of the driver and passengers (bloodshot eyes, behaviors, etc.), you'd think that the dense pot cloud would be enough to detain them for a bit. Yeah, a search of the car would be iffy since you can't really say that you have reason to believe there's more in the car. In this case, the officer searched and found a baggie full in plain view (not concealed) and arrested all. SA declined to issue citing no probable cause to search. HELLO, a fukking POT CLOUD seems like probable cause to believe there's something in the car....residue???? At the very least, he or she should have tested the driver for DUI, arrested for that, and inventoried the car (read, searched) prior to towing. So he or she doesn't nail the passengers, big deal. You could probably justify a pat-down for "officer safety" while you're handling the stop. Maybe find a crack pipe or pistol or something else incriminating. my point.....prosecutors make cops jump thru hoops....more than is legally required...before issuing warrants of arrest, search warrants, etc. That's probably what leads some cops to break the rules, conduct illegal searches, and other BS. It's all in the name of the almighty conviction rate and that is a fact. The prosecutor wants to say he or she has a 97% conviction rate come election time. What they don't tell the lay public is that 90 out of 100 cases are plead to a lesser charge and considered convictions. That number may be off a bit but the vast majority of criminal cases never go to trial. Most are plead out. Ask the lawyers here....I think Yet Another One might be and maybe L. Can't remember though.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Man, he's been dead since 88, retired in the mid 70's. His name was Hansel Bailey, but everyone knew him as Speed Bailey. Maybe you've heard of him, lots of folks have.

[straycat]

Re: Got my car broken into this weekend

Look I smoked pot for a long time before a lot of you were a gleam in your momma's eye and from experience I can speak.The last thing you should do is drive a motor vehicle under the influence.The damage you can do to yourself and to others is life changing to say the least.NUFF SAID.