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**txcharvel** · 03-23-2005, 01:39 PM

Re: Late SD Charvels/Early SD Jacksons

I have a SD Jackson, SN# 1167. For all intents and purposes, this guitar is the same as any SD Charvel except for the logo and the neck plate. The neck profile is the same as Charvel pointy. The headstock is a black phenolic cap, not painted.

The serial numbers on these guitars go from 1001 to 1505. That makes these guitars even harder to find than a Charvel. I would love to find a nice SD Charvel, but I'm pretty cheap and the price on these just keep going up. For the SD Jacksons, the price is going up a little bit, but not anywhere near Charvel prices.

I think it all comes down to nostalgia. Charvels were the hot rod, bolt-on strats that all of our heros played and Jacksons were the sleek neck-thru shred machines.

I'll never be a SD Charvel collector, maybe I could be SD Jackson Strat collector [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

**RR05xx** · 03-23-2005, 02:31 PM

Re: Late SD Charvels/Early SD Jacksons

Same anomaly will probably turn out to exist with the early fender etched plate Charvels: there are a handful which were made with the PO Box 215 addy and another handful made with the PO Box 245 (and maybe one more?), before the regular 3-D plate came back. Based on a numbers and timing argument, I have heard these refered to as almost a
sort of "pre-pro" that u can verify as legit. I personally do not want one and am happy to have a "less" rare 3-D neckplate on any Charvel which I might buy.

**Bert** · 03-23-2005, 10:33 PM

Re: Late SD Charvels/Early SD Jacksons

I like SD era Jackson plated guitars so much, I own 3 of them [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]. They ARE an extremely good value, especially if you aren't averse to Kahler trems or a few modifications. Here's a pic of mine:

#1266 (top), #1149 (middle), and #5128 (bottom). Yes the last one has a non-matching plate, but it is 100% '86 parts and sports an '86 era work order #.

I was kinda looking for an excuse to post this picture [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

**BLOOD SPLATTER** · 03-24-2005, 01:16 PM

Re: Late SD Charvels/Early SD Jacksons

Wow!!Very cool Bert,no difference between those & an SD Charvel imo!!

**shreddermon** · 03-24-2005, 01:43 PM

Re: Late SD Charvels/Early SD Jacksons

I think the issue's kind of screw-counting moot-ness. The reality is that early Jackson strats are the same guitars as late SD era Charvels. Charvel neckplate or not.

Why did some have Charvel plates? Because J/C was being practical, and used up the last of the Charvel plates before moving on to the Jackson ones.

Why did they have Jackson logos? Because J/C was being practical, and used up the remainder of the Charvel logos before starting in on Jackson ones.

It just so happened that the remaining Charvel neck plates did NOT equal the remaining Charvel logos. End of story.

At the end of the day, though, "the market" clearly considers them Jacksons, and that's reflected in their values.

Personally, I think headstock logos are cool (both), so I consider them to be whatever's on the headstock. Call 'em whatever you want, though. ...Cool guitars either way, so who cares?

**~K~** · 03-24-2005, 02:11 PM

Re: Late SD Charvels/Early SD Jacksons

I get a huge kick out of this subject because there are collectors that will swear those are jacksons and others that will swear it's a Charvel ..

My belief is they are Charvels and here's why ..

If you go back and look at the history of when Jackson was born and the 2 lines existed in parallel they were 2 entirely diffent guitars, Jacksons were primarily neck through guitars and Charvels were bolt ons. Jacksons had a high end line with binding and sharkfins etc and Charvels were typical hot rod guitars ..

When Grover licensed the charvel name for import and made a decision to end its usa production he exhausted his supply of logos and decided to logo the guitars under the Jackson name brand. The plates,bodies,necks shapes etc all scream bolt on charvel .. so it's basically a bastardized version of a Charvel simply by virtue of a new logo ..

**BLOOD SPLATTER** · 03-24-2005, 02:16 PM

Re: Late SD Charvels/Early SD Jacksons

Exactly,thanx Kev!!

**gtrbuyer** · 03-24-2005, 02:18 PM

Re: Late SD Charvels/Early SD Jacksons

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Why did they have Jackson logos? Because J/C was being practical, and used up the remainder of the Charvel logos before starting in on Jackson ones.

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But why did the LATE serial Start heads still have the Charvel logos if they were all used. Obviously they (Jackson) did not run out of Charvel logos - it is interesting that the LATE strat heads still bear a Charvel NOT Jackson logo and the LATE pointies bear a Jackson NOT Charvel logo.

At the end of the day, if people like them grab them. they are excellent bang for the buck.Who cares if some people think they are Charvel San Dimas or if others think they are Jackson San Dimas. It should only matter to the buyer because ONLY he/she will put a price/value on it.

IMO (note just an opinion) I HONESTLY believe that if more people viewed them as Charevls they would command more $$ and attention. Just my opinion. I know if Kickaxes Snakeskin had a Charvel logo instead of a Jackson logo I would have snagged it. Again that is just me...again another example of rare not always meaning valueable or collectable.

**BLOOD SPLATTER** · 03-24-2005, 02:26 PM

Re: Late SD Charvels/Early SD Jacksons

LOL!!

**peedenmark7** · 03-24-2005, 02:27 PM

Re: Late SD Charvels/Early SD Jacksons

tim wilson said only about the last 50 plated charvels, received jackson headstock logoes.
I had # 5464 electric grape dinky , ebony board, h/s/s with chrome floyd. awesome guitar, i've seen it on ebay a few times and thought about grabbing it...

it is true that jackson was being practical using up plates,
but also was in part due to the charvel line becoming an import only line after the buyout, jackson was told by IMC that they could no longer put the name on the headstock
and also grover wanting to keep the jackson name from being tagged a cheapo import.
that was a crazy pont in c/j history.
typically these hybrids dont bring tons of money, but I truly believe one day they will be worth something becuase they are period specific guitars.

**shreddermon** · 03-24-2005, 02:28 PM

Re: Late SD Charvels/Early SD Jacksons

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But why did the LATE serial Start heads still have the Charvel logos if they were all used. Obviously they (Jackson) did not run out of Charvel logos - it is interesting that the LATE strat heads still bear a Charvel NOT Jackson logo and the LATE pointies bear a Jackson NOT Charvel logo.

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Actually, Tracy, I think that's probably a simple answer. There were different Charvel logos for stratheads vs. pointies. Towards the end of the run, you saw way more pointies produced than stratheads. Hence they ran out of pointy logos before they ran out of strathead logos. Remember this one...

http://www.jcfonline.com/gallery/cha...-pics/5490.jpg

Obviously, they really did run out of Charvel logos. It probably just took them longer to get there with stratheads.

That's my theory, at least.

**thebisch** · 03-24-2005, 02:30 PM

Re: Late SD Charvels/Early SD Jacksons

My friends pointy Charvel has a scaf joint in a different spot (high and up by the nut) than any SD Jackson I have ever seen. It is that way compared to my early SD bolt on Jackson as well (#1010).

**gtrbuyer** · 03-24-2005, 02:31 PM

Re: Late SD Charvels/Early SD Jacksons

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typically these hybrids dont bring tons of money, but I truly believe one day they will be worth something becuase they are period specific guitars.

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Good points John and agree if people like them they should grab them because you can get an EXCELLENT deal on them pricewise.

**gtrbuyer** · 03-24-2005, 02:34 PM

Re: Late SD Charvels/Early SD Jacksons

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Actually, Tracy, I think that's probably a simple answer. There were different Charvel logos for stratheads vs. pointies. Towards the end of the run, you saw way more pointies produced than stratheads. Hence they ran out of pointy logos before they ran out of strathead logos. Remember this one...

http://www.jcfonline.com/gallery/cha...-pics/5490.jpg

Obviously, they really did run out of Charvel logos. It probably just took them longer to get there with stratheads.

That's my theory, at least.

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Possible that they ran out fo the GOLD colored logos used on the pointys...most Strat Heads had black logos, possible. As John and others said these don't bring in good money so it is an excellent opportunity for someone do grab a great deal.

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