'85 Soloist - Refinished = worth less?

[AndyK]

Re: \'85 Soloist - Refinished = worth less?

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If you like it it doesent matter!!! does ti matter what its worth!! and if your going to sell it on E**** sell it as a Custom Finish by GMW Guitars and let there reputation sell it for you!An upgrade! not as a guitar that you thought the finish looked bad and had repainted by just anyone!!! Custom Upgrade!!!!!

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Great points. If I sell it, custom refin. Either someone who loves white, and who loves the San Dimas quality wood and tone will jump on it, or not!
PS--I played the guitar before I had it repainted. Sounds THE SAME afterwards. No ill effect on tone.

[k65h]

Re: \'85 Soloist - Refinished = worth less?

If AndyK would have just said, hey, check out my '85 Jackson soloist, how many of you would have known it was a refin?
And would you have really cared?

Why should Andy have to take less for his guitar which is in excellent condition just because it's refinshed.

I agree mentioning that GMW did the refin may actually help if he sold it.

But, people are always looking for ways and excuses to get things cheaper.

And don't worry, I don't sell or trade guitars my guitars.
I just add to the collection.

I do feel AndyK's guitar is worth way more than $500.

Kent

[Rupe]

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What people don't know won't hurt 'em.

If you were to sell it on the 'bay, and described it as
"85 USA Jackson soloist
Serial # XXXXXXXXX
Pearl white
Etc...
In very good condition.

And not mention the refin.
(as long as the refin is top notch)

I think you'd get more than the $400-$500 people are saying.

It's a very beautiful guitar.
I think it would appeal to a good number of people.

Kent


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Its POS scumbags like you who give Ebay a bad rep. Completely dishonest and unethical. I doubt anyone on this board would ever buy anything from you now...loser [img]/images/graemlins/rant.gif[/img]

[Zerberus]

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If AndyK would have just said, hey, check out my '85 Jackson soloist, how many of you would have known it was a refin?
And would you have really cared?

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The first thing I do on any guitar is a full cleaning and setup... that means I´d have unpacked the guitar, played an hour or so, started cleaning, open the elöectronics and trem cavities, and would now be pissed as hell.

I found out ONCE that way, and the guy was brought up on fraud chages within a week. Is that caring enough about honesty in business? [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

The only difference I see here to for example a car with a replacement engine is the value of the item. Maybe it´s because I don´t buy guitars as pure players.

[StukaJU87]

Re: \'85 Soloist - Refinished = worth less?

I don't think it is worth less, at least not much less then if it were original. How much do these usually go for on ebay? [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] The fact that it is a GMW refin, and a very nice looking one, doesn't make the guitar worth only 4-500 dollars. People pay that and more for model 6's. Let's get real.

[k65h]

Re: \'85 Soloist - Refinished = worth less?

Cars are a good example.
You see classic cars restored to original condition all the time.
It doesn't seem to hurt resale.

Maybe that's a better way of putting it.

Instead of saying AndyK refinished the guitar.
Maybe say restored to original color.

Rupe, don't worry, I've never sold a thing on Ebay.
Don't ever plan to.

I guess most here do care about the refinish.
That's cool.
Majority rules.

For me, as long as it was a quality job, I wouldn't have cared.

But, again I don't buy and sell for profit.

I guess I am just looking at it from a players point of view.

Sorry to have upset you all.

[Rupe]

Re: \'85 Soloist - Refinished = worth less?

From a players point of view, resale value will vary with the "gotta have it" factor. The guitar is clearly worth more than 400-500, but less than if it were original in most cases.
The car analogy doesn't work in this case. Almost all classic cars have been repainted. Classic guitars with significant missing paint are still worth double their refinned counterparts...fact not opinion. Jacksons and similar guitars are probably a bit different than old Gibsons, Fenders, etc. but it seems the screwcounters are infiltrating the ranks of Charvel/Jackson players now as well.

[Zerberus]

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Cars are a good example.
You see classic cars restored to original condition all the time.
It doesn't seem to hurt resale.

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I´ve never seen a restored car, regardless of how beautiful, go for anywhere near the same amount as the same car all original, even if the all original was barely drivable and only had 2 specks of paint left... [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[AndyK]

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As far as pure "original", I assume anything can be changed except for the finish? There are new pickups...and the solder connections aren't original. So doesn't that destroy the value as well?

I guess it all depends on who is looking to buy it. My friend knows John Sykes. Sykes has an original Strat headstock Charvel that was originally a sunburst of some kind. He sanded the guitar down to the bare wood. He is constantly getting offers of $2k to part with that guitar--refinished and all (see the Charvel here)

[sully]

Re: \'85 Soloist - Refinished = worth less?

it depends on the guitar; old strats that have the original solder connections will bring a better price than ones with swapped pickups or replaced parts.

no one's gonna say that you've destroyed your guitar by any means, but yes, on the whole, refins and swapped parts often times bring lower resale value. that said, if your guitar originally had a JT6 and jackson pickups, and you replaced them with duncans and a real floyd, i don't think there's anyone here who would turn their nose up and say you ruined it! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

sully

[mm2002]

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Cars are a good example.
You see classic cars restored to original condition all the time.
It doesn't seem to hurt resale.

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I´ve never seen a restored car, regardless of how beautiful, go for anywhere near the same amount as the same car all original, even if the all original was barely drivable and only had 2 specks of paint left... [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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That's incorrect. For an original to be worth more than a restoration, it has to be very near mint.

[AndyK]

Re: \'85 Soloist - Refinished = worth less?

I think the same holds true for Jacksons. These guitars were sprayed with car paint...not ultra thin Nitro laquer (like the Les Pauls or Strats). So a guitar with a chipped and beat up finish-to me-is worth LESS than a pristine example, repaint or not. As an investment, an un-molested version is worth more, I agree. But in 10 years, if I still have the Soloist, I am guessing I could get a nice price for it--they aren't making NEW 1985 Soloists anymore, right!

[k65h]

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Again guys,
I apologize for stirring things up.

I didn't realize how vintage collector pieces the 80's
guitars were becoming. The Jackson, Ibanez, ESP, Kramer, etc...
I quess since that was my early years of playing, and they were the new thing, and Gibsons, Fenders, and Gretches were the vintage collectors, that I didn't think people would be collecting the 80's guitars as vintage collector pieces now.
I guess some time has gone by.

So, from listening to everyone here it does sound like keeping things as original as possible is very important with the 80's guitars.

So, I stand corrected and am eating crow.

I was viewing AndyK's guitar as a great looking guitar.
In great shape and well taken care of.
That would be a solid reliable guitar for gigging with.
So, I wasn't thinking about the collectability of the guitar.

Again, peace.

Kent

[Zerberus]

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Cars are a good example.
You see classic cars restored to original condition all the time.
It doesn't seem to hurt resale.

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I´ve never seen a restored car, regardless of how beautiful, go for anywhere near the same amount as the same car all original, even if the all original was barely drivable and only had 2 specks of paint left... [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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That's incorrect. For an original to be worth more than a restoration, it has to be very near mint.

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With all due respect, the market seems to be quite different in the US then [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[VoiceX3]

Re: \'85 Soloist - Refinished = worth less?

Did you try naptha to clean the finish first? lol The guitar looks great, and since it was refinned by GMW I think value loss would be minimal as compared to one done elsewhere.