List of custom shop "No goes"

[SEEGERMANY]

It was getting too quiet around here!

[Joe_Steeler]

Wow, and I got turned off to the CS just because of the price and 2+ year wait.

Look at it this way, with inflation the way it is lately and J/C delivery times it will seem that the guitar you ordered 2+ years ago is indeed 80s pricing. A freaking bargain after 4 to 5 price increases plus features they've taken away during the span of delivery.

You will have a fucking one off at a steal..... they make you feel good in odd ways don't they!?




BTW, Mr. Kotzen quotes like old people fuck.

[GWARGHOUL]

I don't think they will do Surfcasters anymore.

[garykeller15]

People better start telling these companies ala gibson/fender etc. That they demand for this so called gentlemens agreement b.s. bodyshape/headstock shape copyrighting illegal bullcrap to stop. Or the next step will be gibson and fender and the rest of the companies will go after all of you who build project guitars. meaning no more gibson shapes or fender shapes,etc. Because they going the way of oil companies in the corporate greed department. Fact is gibson never lost big money because esp build explorers or jackson built flying vs,etc. and allowing other companies to use your body shapes,headstock shapes helps the entire music instrument building business. This is why theres been no big developments in music instruments. oh gibsons robot guitars (ripoff) transperformance came up with a self tuning system way back,which jimmy page uses on his les paul and telecaster. i perdict in 5 years every music instrument company will be struggling to survive because of this lame ass gentlemans agreement and selfishnish of gibson/fender and other companies.

[McD]

You can thank the litigious nature of our society... we'd love to build some of the cool stuff that we can't. For example, if I could I'd have a 'Bird on order right now. Everyone has a lawyer at the ready.

If thing like these aren`t allowed then in my opinion this is not a real custom shop...
I love Jackson but, these no no`s suck!

[McD]

Actually, we just made one for Peter Distefano.

I don't think they will do Surfcasters anymore.

[CharvelRocker]

You can thank the litigious nature of our society... we'd love to build some of the cool stuff that we can't. For example, if I could I'd have a 'Bird on order right now. Everyone has a lawyer at the ready.

But how an artist sue over something that isn't trademarked/copywrited/patented? Dave Mustaine doesn't have a patent on Kahlered, two humbucker, King Vs last time I checked. Joe Blow could argue he doesn't want another guitar like his blue Strat w/ a white pickguard, FR, and DiMarzio pups but since Joe isn't a big artist, it would likely be laughed off. If Jackson/Charvel is going to play that game, their policy should be no duplicates of ANY custom.

And for the record, this is part of why I have not ordered. Jackson won't reproduce an artist design, but they could reproduce mine anytime they want. Seems like you only get a one-off custom if you are someone famous. You either do it for everyone or you don't.

[McD]

I just saw a KV2 with a Kahler in the Custom Shop, I guess I don't get your point. ???

[CharvelRocker]

I just saw a KV2 with a Kahler in the Custom Shop, I guess I don't get your point. ???

Someone here said they were not allowed to order a KV2 w/ a Kahler because it was artist similar.

Indirectly, my point is if Jackson is not going to build replica's of certain guitars played by certain people, they should do it for everyone (preferably without an upcharge ). At least that is my issue with it.

[Brian]

I just saw a KV2 with a Kahler in the Custom Shop, I guess I don't get your point. ???

Has the policy changed recently?

I have heard numerous people say that a KV with a Kahler non-trem in Silver is a no-go from Jackson cause it's artist similar citing "artists intellectual property" as the reason for not doing it.

Which is understandable on something like a Y2KV (which I have heard Mustaine co-designed so it makes sense) or if the customer asks to have "Marty Friedman" or "Dave Mustaine" signatures on the headstocks like the old KE1/KV1.

But a Silver KV with a Kahler non-trem wasn't Mustaines intellectual property. It's just a KV with specific specs.

Really confusing cause I have heard from a few people that Jackson won't do it. I have heard from a few people (dealers) that Jackson says "No problem we can do it."

[McD]

If an artist comes in and orders something really custom, like Matt Tuck for example (V inlays, reverse headstock, EMG's, sparkle finish) it's one thing. But, if an artist like Jeff Beck happens to buy a Jackson that we've made 4 or 5 of and play it, why wouldn't you be able to order it? It's our design.

[CharvelRocker]

If an artist comes in and orders something really custom, like Matt Tuck for example (V inlays, reverse headstock, EMG's, sparkle finish) it's one thing.

But then why does an artist get that treatment and a plain customer doesn't? And how do you define unique?

[metalchurch79]

But how an artist sue over something that isn't trademarked/copywrited/patented? Dave Mustaine doesn't have a patent on Kahlered, two humbucker, King Vs last time I checked. Joe Blow could argue he doesn't want another guitar like his blue Strat w/ a white pickguard, FR, and DiMarzio pups but since Joe isn't a big artist, it would likely be laughed off. If Jackson/Charvel is going to play that game, their policy should be no duplicates of ANY custom.

And for the record, this is part of why I have not ordered. Jackson won't reproduce an artist design, but they could reproduce mine anytime they want. Seems like you only get a one-off custom if you are someone famous. You either do it for everyone or you don't.

Exactly, I agree 100% with you on this. The only part of the instrument that should raise any concern is the paint job.
Obviously a copyrighted logo or graphic design should have written permission prior to ordering.

Well, actually the Gibson/Fender body shape is another issue that sucks also....
Anything else is nothing but anal in my book. If you're paying a few grand for a custom, then the slate should be clear for whatever you want.
Maybe just make a rule that the buyer can only order no more than 1 of the same instrument, after that he/she needs to make changes.

This might help alleviate any resale or 'flooding' the market with "artist" similar guitars.
My point is this: If a buyer is spending the money, most likely it is because they really want this guitar or bass, and chances are they will retain sole ownership of that instrument for a long period of time. And also, most customs are generally well cared for and babied, and most of them are never in the public eye, but in the privacy of the buyer's home.

I think the whole thing with the KV's being Mustaine's design is BS, he doesn't even endorse the company anymore. And Dave doesn't own Kahler last time I checked. ......end rant.

[Brian]

I think the whole thing with the KV's being Mustaine's design is BS, he doesn't even endorse the company anymore. And Dave doesn't own Kahler last time I checked. ......end rant.

Hehe, he doesn't even USE Kahlers anymore. He pretty much said they sounded like shit after he switched to tuneomatic bridges.

[metalchurch79]

Hehe, he doesn't even USE Kahlers anymore. He pretty much said they sounded like shit after he switched to tuneomatic bridges.

You are correct! In fact, neither his ESP, nor his Dean had Kahlers on them. So it appears he abandoned any interest in certain specs anyway, so that should leave it open, if it truly isn't already? I don't even know for sure, but my point wasn't all about Dave's guitars, it was about the "Artist Similar" in general.