Jackson With or With Out Dave Mustaine

[VoiceX3]

Oh really? Then show me the proof you have. Post a pic of the bid form with Dave's signature that was submitted for the purchase. Or from his lawyers. Or accountant.

Got any of that documentation to prove that he actually tried to buy Jackson? No, I didn't think so. So your opinion on the matter is just as much BS as mine. Only you choose to believe the frequent douchery that drools out of DM's mouth, often to suit his own egotistical aims.

Ok, if you don't believe the story that's been told and retold again and again without anybody ever stepping forward and claiming it to be false then I guess I need other outside proof. The key is, people have said he did (even if they're quoting him) who of relavance said he didn't?

[MartinBarre]

Cool, then provide some evidence instead of posting anecdotes.

Anecdotes eh?
Didn't you just post an anecdote about Dave (not) saving someone from suicide?
Evidence?

[MartinBarre]

To the question - I think it'd be cool to see Dave playing Jacksons again. I don't really have a problem with him badmouthing ESP or whatever - so he said they were great when he first joined them, then realised they weren't and was honest enough to say so? What's the problem?

Dave and Marty are probably the unofficial faces of Jackson to anyone around 32 years old who love thrash metal. Like me.

Sure Marty's cooler in every way but Dave is still a massive part of Jackson's history, like it or not.

[shreddermon]

The key is, people have said he did (even if they're quoting him) who of relavance said he didn't?

Dude, would you listen to yourself? You effectively just said that no-one's opinion on the matter is relevent except DM's himself.

Besides, there's an old saying: "Silence does not imply consent".

[VoiceX3]

No, what I'm saying is that no one who wrote those quotes into the interviews has ever written anything to raise a doubt. Unless you've seen otherwise somewhere? Common bloggers don't count.

[shreddermon]

Right. So, unless someone else of "relevance" contradicts him, everything Dave says must be true.

You do realize that Dave himself is just another "common blogger", too. He's a guy, a dude, a real person. With real faults. Semi-fame doesn't make him any "better" than any of the rest of us. ...Well, he might think that it does. But, again, just because DM thinks or says it, doesn't mean it's actually true.

[VoiceX3]

In that philosophy, anything anyone says about anything might not actually true. You're forming an opinion based solely on your feelings about Dave. Right?

[shobet]

Who fucking cares what he does these days, he's a spent jesus crispe loving force these days anyway. Last time I checked Jackson still sell V shaped guitars.

[Newc]

I disagree Newc..... Gibson sub-brands:

Kramer -
GUITARS
Focus VT211S
Pacer FT202S
Pacer FT211S
Striker FR422SM
Striker FR424CM
Striker S424CR
USA 1984 Reissue
USA 1985 Baretta
Let's not forget HOLY RHOADS RIPOFFS.....
Vanguard FR440S
Vanguard S440S

Basses
Focus 420S
Striker 422S

Valley Arts Guitars
Guitars
Brent Mason Signature (tele)
Custom Pro (strat)
T-Series (tele)
T-Series Bent Top (tele)

The Y2KV placed next to a Flying V is much more different than any of the guitars are to their respective counterparts. The only thing the Y2KV and Flying V have in common is that they're both V shaped.

Now compare Kramer as a sub-brand to Jackson as a sub-brand, and you'll see Jackson still has a realistic market position relative to the one they had back in the 80s. Kramer has achieved laughably-sad status thanks in large part to the MusicYo stint, and then by being swallowed by the Imperial Gibson Fleet.

I think it's safe to say that Jackson has a much larger market-share than Kramer, and those Vanguards pose no threat to the Jackson RR. However, with the Relevant Artist Attachment on the Y2KV, which the Vanguard lacks (note, dead people who used it don't count, nor do the ones who used one "backinnaday" and no longer do so), means the Gibson Flying V will have stiff competition on the USA-made market rather than just "low-end import vs low-end import". The Vanguard vs the JS30RR, anyone?

Why? They already did a bolt-on import version of it when he was still with Jackson.

Unfortunately it was only available in one finish - USA Flag - and was only available to one dealer, IIRC.

[shreddermon]

In that philosophy, anything anyone says about anything might not actually true.

Uhm, yes. I don't believe everything I'm told by everyone I meet.

You're forming an opinion based solely on your feelings about Dave. Right?

Uhm, yes. True, and I'll readily admit it. And my opinion about Dave - and some of his statements - is also based upon his publically-known propensity to frequently state BS to suit his own view of the world. Like most people, I'm sure the vast majority of what he says is true. But, given his past track record, I strongly suspect total BS - or, at the very least, a large exaggeration - on this particular subject.

[Deadlock]

I would love for Dave to come back to jackson. He hasn't used the Kahler bridge in his Dean or ESP guitars, so if he comes back to Jackson he'll probably use a stringthru version of the KV1.

Speaking of which, I used to have a KV1T... I miss her.

[The Mitch]

This + the Livewires would be his new sig Jackson

[AK47]

I would love for Dave to come back to jackson. He hasn't used the Kahler bridge in his Dean or ESP guitars, so if he comes back to Jackson he'll probably use a stringthru version of the KV1.

Speaking of which, I used to have a KV1T... I miss her.

Did I buy that off of you?



If its who I think it is I almost pulled the trigger on your ESP explorer.

[Brooke]

I would love for Dave to come back to jackson. He hasn't used the Kahler bridge in his Dean or ESP guitars, so if he comes back to Jackson he'll probably use a stringthru version of the KV1.

Speaking of which, I used to have a KV1T... I miss her.

That's my dream guitar

[Deadlock]

Did I buy that off of you?



If its who I think it is I almost pulled the trigger on your ESP explorer.

I've never had an ESP explorer, so i guess you got yourKV1T from someone else.