The Kv5 and Ke5 is here!

[BeëlzeM]

The SLS3 doesn't have as much body wood as the KE or KV, so if both models have the same build budget, there's extra money in the SLS3 budget for ebony boards compared to the other 2.

Similarly, there's more money in the MM1 budget so you get mahogany with a ton of extra work, a great flamed top, trans finish, custom wiring (4 knobs, a 3-way, and 2 minis), non-standard body shape, ebony board with custom inlays, non-standard headstock shape, etc.

By the same token, there's more money in the Demmel budget, and therefore you get more "upgrades" such as custom body shape, ebony board, etc.

The USA KV and KE are high-enough sellers with great retention that they very well may have done these with rosewood to get everyone off their asses and pay for a USA. If the economy's so tight for you, maybe you need to lay off the buying completely.

All this doesn't really matter when the bottomline is that you get a lot more guitar for your money elsewhere.

[_koppen]

The SLS3 doesn't have as much body wood as the KE or KV, so if both models have the same build budget, there's extra money in the SLS3 budget for ebony boards compared to the other 2.

Similarly, there's more money in the MM1 budget so you get mahogany with a ton of extra work, a great flamed top, trans finish, custom wiring (4 knobs, a 3-way, and 2 minis), non-standard body shape, ebony board with custom inlays, non-standard headstock shape, etc.

By the same token, there's more money in the Demmel budget, and therefore you get more "upgrades" such as custom body shape, ebony board, etc.

The USA KV and KE are high-enough sellers with great retention that they very well may have done these with rosewood to get everyone off their asses and pay for a USA. If the economy's so tight for you, maybe you need to lay off the buying completely.

Well as far is i know the sls3 and slsmg are made of mahogony wich i thought was expensiver than alder!!

it really dosen't matter as the more wood on the ke an kv is about an extra 20$ at max!

And as far as i know i have more money that you, but im not gonna spend 2k on a guitar, i can go to thailand for 3 months for that kind of cash!

And if the demmel has a higher budget than these it sure as hell should not cost less than these!

[Dred]

it really dosen't matter as the more wood on the ke an kv is about an extra 20$ at max!

Makes a huge difference when bought in large quantities in bulk, and in the end, not too much of that wood is being pushed. That will put you in a "lose more-gain less" situation, requiring to jack up the prices, because all that more expensive wood that's stored, is sitting around doing nothing. Even as you said with Mahogany, being more expensive than Alder, it would make sense. Ask yourself how many Mahogany guitars are being sold, and how many Alder guitars are sold. Big difference. It would be absolutely natural to cover the expenses of Mahogany AND Alder, by jacking up the prices for the more popular option, which is Mahogany.

Now I've no solid evidence of this tactic, but logically thinking, it's quite damn logical.

[straycat]

This thread is going nowhere.Buy a used USA and be done with it.

[_koppen]

Makes a huge difference when bought in large quantities in bulk, and in the end, not too much of that wood is being pushed. That will put you in a "lose more-gain less" situation, requiring to jack up the prices, because all that more expensive wood that's stored, is sitting around doing nothing. Even as you said with Mahogany, being more expensive than Alder, it would make sense. Ask yourself how many Mahogany guitars are being sold, and how many Alder guitars are sold. Big difference. It would be absolutely natural to cover the expenses of Mahogany AND Alder, by jacking up the prices for the more popular option, which is Mahogany.

Now I've no solid evidence of this tactic, but logically thinking, it's quite damn logical.

This would be a good argument if the king v and ke were using mahogany instead of alder, and the slsmg alder.

You would think that since almost all jackson axes using alder you would be getting even better price on that compared to mahogany since you are buying that in pretty bigger shipments than the mahogany.

But this has nothing to do weather jackson can "afford" to put binding and ebony on some axes and not other, they are just wanna force people to buy usa models instead, and i dont like that way of thinking that's why im pissed of, i dont wanna spend 2k on a guitar even if i can afford it, and i still want it to be new when i get it.

But as stated this thread is going nowhere, so let's be done with it.

[toejam]

This would be a good argument if the king v and ke were using mahogany instead of alder, and the slsmg alder.

The KV2T uses mahogany, but the USA models use a higher grade of mahogany than the imports anyway. The SLSMG is also a much thinner body, so it's not much of an issue whether they're alder or mahogany, because they're pretty much on par with each other, except for the tone difference.

[Jacksonite]

if you buy a guitar from Schecter (which I also sell) you get.
A. A guitar made on an assembly line
B. A guitar made in a factory that makes guitars for Multiple manufacturers
C. A guitar made of a lower grade of wood
D. A guitar that if you order one, you dont know if you are going to get a korean one of a Chinese one (a friend of mine is the "picker for GC" and sez he saw several Chinese HRs, although i have still only seen Korean)

The Import Jackson Line (PRO, MG, and X) are made in a Japanese Factory that ONLY builds Jacksons
A. They use the same grade of wood that the ESP standard series uses
B. The Pro and MG series guitars are made mostly by hand (X series are "factory built")
C. The Build on a Japanese Guitar is generaly thought of to be better than that of K, Indo, India, or China
D. In the grand scheme of things, Japanese Labor and the costs of building and getting a japanese guitar has gone WAY up (price of wood has trippled in less than 2 years)
E You ARE paying more for the name "Jackson" than if you bought a Schecter, as its a more respected name in the grand scheme of things

All these factors go into the pricing of these instruments

these guitars are going to Retail at 2200 bux, the same USA model goes for about 2900. These will street for 1500 and the USA counterpart will be 2000 (black KV5 vs black KV2)
so there is 500 dollars difference. can you buy used, sure and thats cool, but if you want a new one. you now have a CHOICE of USA neckthrough or Japanese Neckthrough. Which before if you wanted Neckthrough you HAD to buy USA. or go with Bolt on Kelly, and hell you couldnt even get anything better than the KVX10. So look at it with that perspective instead of the "sour grapes approach of someone dissappointed by the new models" Are they Expensive, yeah, and they would prolly sell better if they were 1200 bux + case (these all come with a 129.99dollar case) but there Is an option now that was not there before.

This is the same guitar as the RR5FR, but in KingV and Kelly form, and they have the same pricetag.

The BCRich JrV.. is 900 bux, Korean made, and has ebony and binding. Its a GREAT guitar, but I have had 4 of them on order for OVER a year, and only 1 month ago got the 4th one. These are going to be readily available, and hopefully will do nicely

On another note, the price of the USA models have not gone up much in comparison, as the Cost of Domestic labor didnt go up as much nor did the price of wood in comparison to the amount that it did for Japan (alder is a domestic wood from what I understand, also costing more if FMIC has to ship it to japan for use, as shipping prices are through the roof)

Just playing Devils advocate

[Dred]

you now have a CHOICE of USA neckthrough or Japanese Neckthrough. Which before if you wanted Neckthrough you HAD to buy USA. or go with Bolt on Kelly, and hell you couldnt even get anything better than the KVX10. So look at it with that perspective instead of the "sour grapes approach of someone dissappointed by the new models"

+ Fuckillion. That's a 'Fucking Million' in the average Joe's terms.
Couldn't agree more!

[Jacksonite]

well, I understand that 1500 bux is a LOT of money. but Its a pro-level (lots of proffesional musicians use the Japanese stuff) JACKSON, so its going to be a little more than that from another company.

The ESP stuff (standard series V) is 1500 bux and comes with no case, and no floyd (i know this is a plus to some, but its more money to have one)

The sour grapes comment was not meant as a rude comment in any way, so I dont want that taken out of context. Its meant as the "its more money than I want to spend on a guitar from japan, there for the guitar isnt worth the pricetag" is only one way to look at it. There is a reason they cant price it at 1200 bux, fender isnt being greedy, they have to make money, and the only way to do so and keep it Japanese, is to price it that way.

[diablomozart]

yeah i don't get it...people scream they want a kv5 and then scream when it's not exactly what they want...remember folks...this is NOT burger king...you cannot have it your way unless you want to pay for a custom shop and have it built to your specs...fmic has marketing people watching what sells...and they plan their strategies accordingly...to think that all they do is pay attention to the people who bitch and moan on an internet forum is to encase one's self in delusions of grandeur...

my point is simply this...if you like the guitars you buy them...if you don't you purchase something else...this incessant complaining gets no-one anywhere and it's annoying...d.m.

[outsider666]

yeah i don't get it...people scream they want a kv5 and then scream when it's not exactly what they want...remember folks...this is NOT burger king...you cannot have it your way unless you want to pay for a custom shop and have it built to your specs...fmic has marketing people watching what sells...and they plan their strategies accordingly...to think that all they do is pay attention to the people who bitch and moan on an internet forum is to encase one's self in delusions of grandeur...

my point is simply this...if you like the guitars you buy them...if you don't you purchase something else...this incessant complaining gets no-one anywhere and it's annoying...d.m.

+1, it's exactly the same whining that went on after the PD1 and RR24's were released. How long do people expect Jackson to continue to take suggestions from the JCF if this is the kind of reaction the guitars always get after they're released.

[Jacksonite]

yeah, but according to your "undername" you are just a "big dummy"

lol

[Brooke]

When will we get an actual KV2-T?

[Jacksonguy666]

When will we see these models for sale? On MF and at GC. For picture viewing purposes, and reviews ONLY!

[Jacksonite]

When will we get an actual KV2-T?

you can order a KV2 with a TOM anytime you want from the custom shop Brooke...

they decided for the KV2T to be what it is now, and I dont think they are going to change them anytime soon.

you can always order one up mang!