ESP Horizon FR-II vs Jackson SL2H

[DRM]

Unbiased, as I said.

If you go to an ESP board, you're going to get pro-ESP responses. If you go to a Jackson board, you're going to get pro-Jackson responses. If you think you're going to get an unbiased response on either one of the boards, you're what's known as a "ruh-tard".

And FWIW...having played both, I prefer the Horizon. It fits my large hands more comfortably.

[DonP]

Then, DON'T come to me with bullshit such as "Jackson was the original", cause I don't give a fuck about this. My ESP SV Standard comes from ESP copying the Jackson RR24, and I'm really sorry to Jackson freaks but the SV is just BETTER. I want the best one, regardless of it's prestige.

You sound like a fucking troll.

Jacksons are so fucking overpriced that I want to make sure that it's really worth it.

If the fucking price is such a fucking big deal, buy a fucking used guitar.

I'm stuck in Europe

Fucking Europe suits you fucking fine.

[DRM]

You sound like a fucking troll.If the fucking price is such a fucking big deal, buy a fucking used guitar.
Fucking Europe suits you fucking fine.

"What the fucking fuck?!?"

[k65h]

Quality wise. Once you're looking in the ESP Japan and Jackson USA lines both are great. It's really going to come down to personal preference.

Jackson has a more thin D shaped neck to me. (not Ibby wizard thin though). And a Compound radius fret board. (12-16)
Thus, why I think people are saying it has a more rounded/less flat feel.

ESP has the U shaped neck with a straight 14" fretboard radius, I believe.
Thus why some say it feels real flat to them.


As usual, your best bet it to try both if possible.
Which ever one plays, feels, and sounds best to you is the one to go with.
Even with that said, pickups are like guitars strings, everyone has their favorites.
They're not hard to swap out.
And is a relatively inexpensive upgrade (for lack of a better term.)

Also, keep an eye out for a used Carvin DC, Ibanez RGT3120, or old Kramer Stagemaster.
Or even a Parker Fly Deluxe or up.


With so many great guitars out there these days, I really don't know how anyone stays "brand" loyal anymore.
I know I can't.
As much as I love my Carvins, I also have Gibson, Schecter, Parker, Fernandes, Edwards, and Diodati.
And eventually want to add a Jackson, Ibby, and ESP back into the collection.

Still wish I would have kept my '93 Dinky Standard Professional.
That was a great guitar. Especially for one I could just leave out for around the house.
But, I sold that and my Warrior XL to get my Parker Fly Deluxe years ago.

[Chad]

What more info were you possibly hoping to gain that hasn't already been covered in the thread on the ESP board? There were quite a few objective replies there.

[Nagash02]

Sorry people, haven't checked in here for a while.

On the ESP board, I got unbiased opinions that made me lean towards the Jackson. And no I don't care about the ESP M-II cause I played it and I don't like it, I also don't want Dinky's because they are bolt-on. I posted the same thread here just hoping that Jackson buddys knew even more about the Jackson > the more info I get, the better choice I'll make.

@ DonP stay away from my thread if fuck is the only word you know how to use, and get yourself a life... your prejudices about Europe make YOU sound like the actual troll around here...

@ DRM exactly, couldn't find better words ^^

@ laurens I really like people like you, either I have to think exactly like you I have to shove off, is that it ? Come on, do you really think I have never seen the "This is Chris Cannella, product manager and artist realtions manager for Jackson guitars" videos ? I know the Jackson history, and I don't care about it. I care about the actual instrument, and some guitars are better than the Jacksons.

I think this thread is not necessary anymore : I think I will get the Jackson. I played a SL1 (which is supposed to be identical, apart from the pickup configuration), and I already know the Horizon very well, the Jackson's neck seems to fit better into my hands. Anyway I think I'm going Jackson (SL2H, KE2, RR24 & RR24M, I'm gasing around like hell XD) even if they are more expensive, if the extra cash gives extra quality, I'm going for it ^^.

[RacerX]

Well that's good then.

[DonP]

@ DonP stay away from my thread if fuck is the only word you know how to use, and get yourself a life... your prejudices about Europe make YOU sound like the actual troll around here...

I just reply to you how you replied to me first. You replied to my original post with your dirty potty mouth and hurt my feelings

You might not know this, but in the US we have a saying "Treat others how you want to be treated".

[algeriet]

Exactly. What goes around comes around!

[Mazrim]

They're both fantastic guitars. There isnt much in it.

I would say the soloist just edges it in tone and quality but Ive loved every ESP Ive owned and the new Horizons NT and FR are modern classics.
You can also get an MII neck thru. Might be worth a look.

[Nagash02]

@ DonP I just said I don't care about history classes but about the instrument, but hey let's just forget about this. And your saying isn't american, I have the same in german, french and spanish... which is why I answered you quite fiercely in the second place. I don't like to offense people, so let's keep calm and relax ^^.

@ Mazrim I live right next to a guitar shop, they have the M-II neck-through, it's nice but... not enough, and it's not as good as a Horizon. But anyway, I think when SOME DAY I have the effing damn money, I'll get the SL2H and basta.

[Mazrim]

By the way, the FRII should have an Alder body and Seymour Duncans as standard.

[1b4n3z]

I got both ESP M-II ntb and an SL2H, and I'd go with the Jackson anytime. The ESP is a fine instrument - not without flaws, mind you - but the Soloist is just better. And quite a lot better I might add. We'll see how it compares to the Gibson LP Classic I'm getting by the end of the month, but so far no ESP Standard Series guitar have come close. I live just beside an ESP dealer so I've played quite a few.

[Nagash02]

By the way, the FRII should have an Alder body and Seymour Duncans as standard.

No way it has an alder body, but it exists both with EMGs or Duncans as standard.

[Mazrim]

Yes way. Its an Alder body. The NTII is Mahogany. The FR is Ash.
And though you will see some FRIIs with EMGs (That model is called FR-II EMG), Seymours are more likely. The TB4 and SH1 (same as a Soloist).

http://www.espguitars.co.jp/oversea/index_gt.html