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  • I scored a 1956 Les Paul

    I'm in a hotel in Nashville and head back with the guitar to Cinci tomorrow.

    I bought a 1956 from GC for $5K + Nashville tax ($5.5K). The usual B.S., we don't discount Vintage. I got the to throw in a Fender Custom Shop Tweed case as well, not sure how much these are worth.

    I've had George Gruhn appraise it. He say it's worth $6. I have 30 days to decide to keep it or return it to GC, and then I have 12 months financing. Gruhn said that maybe it was refin'd at Gibson. The finish is almost brand spanking new and nicely done, but not what you expect for a 50 year old axe. He said he wouldn't sink any more money into it.

    The guitar plays good but IMO needs larger frets. I'm a jumbo fret guy, medium jumbos at the least. There's no 12th fret hump, the neck looks nice and straight. Gruhn said the truss rod was very tight - I'll need to look at it when I get home.

    You'll see by the pictures that a lot of the hardware looks like Gibson USA crap. Chrome tailpiece (alignment looks good splitting the knobs), Chrome Nashville bridge instead of the ABR-1 (cry), pickguard looks USA pink junk, toggle switch USA too, and has a chrome metal jackplate(why?). Gruhn said the P90s look like they might be rewound. They look brand new, not like something over 50 years old. No rust anywhere, everything new and shiney.

    The stuff that looks good / original are the truss rod cover, tuners, the toggle switch (seems to be crazy glued on!), the knobs and pointers, and maybe the strap buttons, and the case (not a 5 latch, 4). Control cavity had bumble bees (don't know if these are correct for a 56). Couldn't date the pots yet.

    One more odd thing, the first inlay (third fret) appears to be 70's material, like the 50's inlay fell out and it was replaced with 70s stuff.

    I haven't gotten home yet with it to see what the tenon looks like (was the neck reset)?

    Also the "dish" top doesn't seem to have a big belly. I'm not an expert on dish shape, is a bigger belly better? this one doesn't seem too big to me.

    The good: No breaks anywhere. Plays good. Refin is good quality no orange peel but maybe not my favorite color / look. Looks like they were trying for a "Brockburst" but maybe missed the mark? Another nice thing is the maple seem is pretty well hidden just above the knobs. The pickguard hides most of it. The flames remind my of a USA Faded series (not good). Maybe the top was dyed? I've seen a lot worse LPs go for more money. This one is playable right out of the shoot, no work needed. The back is straight grain mahogany. No swirls or curls.

    Anyway, just looking at opinions as what to do with this if it was yours. Keep it? Take it back? Send it to Historic Makeovers?

    Consider that this is my most expensive guitar (a CR8 was at $3K), I have 6 LP's now, almost 40 guitars total, Jacksons, Charvels, MIM Fenders, ESPs (no LTD). About $20K to $30K in gear for a hobbyist, and a wife about ready to kill me. Seriously.

    Anyway, here are the pictures. You can see the Fender case as well.




    Big pictures:










    Thanks for all the help!
    Last edited by DonP; 11-11-2010, 12:31 AM.

  • #2
    "I've had George Gruhn appraise it. He say it's worth $6." - I'm assuming you/he meant $6K

    I guess my opinion on whether you should keep it or not are based on "Why did you want it?" If you wanted a vintage Les Paul then this isn't really truly that, what with all the resto work that's been done to it. If you bought it because you want a Les Paul with those features and it feel/sounds great when you play it then keep it.

    If your wife is gonna stab you in the nards while you sleep if you keep it, TAKE IT BACK!
    GTWGITS! - RacerX

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    • #3
      Very cool guitar Don. I'd love to own a vintage Gibson one day, but have to find the right one at the right price. Enjoy the guitar!!

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Hellbat View Post
        "I've had George Gruhn appraise it. He say it's worth $6." - I'm assuming you/he meant $6K

        I guess my opinion on whether you should keep it or not are based on "Why did you want it?" If you wanted a vintage Les Paul then this isn't really truly that, what with all the resto work that's been done to it. If you bought it because you want a Les Paul with those features and it feel/sounds great when you play it then keep it.

        If your wife is gonna stab you in the nards while you sleep if you keep it, TAKE IT BACK!
        Yeah, $6K.

        I haven't really gotten to play it yet. Just noddling around unplugged in the hotel.

        Need to get it home and see what it can do, and how it compares to the other guitars.

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        • #5
          Don contact rsguitarworks.net and send some pics to Roy and have him tell you what he thinks.
          Roy is very keen on vintage L.P.'s and has the parts to put it back to 50's specs.They do work for George Gruhn as well.
          They are in Winchester Ky so kind of on the way to Nashville so maybe drop in and let them see it.
          If you want I'll meet you there or show you the way and introduce you to the guys.
          They are vintage Gibson/Fender experts.
          I'm off all next week if you are passing thru.
          Really? well screw Mark Twain.

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          • #6
            I'd love to do that but I carpool with my boss who is an asshole so there is no way that will happen. We might be able to schedule it later, I'm taking Thanksgiving week off.

            BTW, just imagine what my life has been like the past 3 years having to ride back and forth in the car, 5 hours twice a week stuck with my boss. I deserve this guitar!!!

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            • #7
              Sure seems like theres a lot there already that disappoints you about it, if it were me and there were that many things from the get go that didnt sit well with me, Id take it back and wait for a specimen more to my liking. Buyers remorse sucks, but it sucks even more when were talking $6k.
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              • #8
                I thought the only LP's from 1956 were gold tops.
                "POOP"

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                • #9
                  Doesn't sound like a guitar you're too happy with.
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                  • #10
                    +1 for that kind of money you may be able to find something more to your liking. it sounds to refurbished to be considered vintage. the way you are describing it make sit seem like the body and neck were built in 1956, bur EVERYTHING has been replaced or changed. not cool for that kind of money, IMHO.
                    GEAR:

                    some guitars...WITH STRINGS!!!! most of them have those sticks like on guitar hero....AWESOME!!!!

                    some amps...they have some glowing bottle like things in them...i think my amps do that modelling thing....COOL, huh?!?!?!

                    and finally....

                    i have those little plastic "chips" used to hit the strings...WHOA!!!!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by SEEGERMANY View Post
                      I thought the only LP's from 1956 were gold tops.
                      It's been completely refinished (killing the value).

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                      • #12
                        If you think there's a value to "Old Wood" then maybe you want to consider having it turned into a '57 - humbuckered, etc. Kinda like a Resto-mod!
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                        • #13
                          I'd return it and get something else for that kind of money.
                          I feel my soul go cold... only the dead are smiling.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by toejam View Post
                            I'd return it and get something else for that kind of money.
                            Or a couple somethings...

                            ...or sell off some other junk and get something of a more legit vintage if that's what you're after. You don't want to be stuck with a "yeah, but..." guitar.
                            Last edited by Grandturk; 11-11-2010, 01:29 PM.
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                            • #15
                              I'm with a lot of the other guys here Don...to me, it sounds like there have been too many changes made which have killed the value of the guitar. I am assuming you are buying this for the purpose of owning a truly vintage LP, not just for owning another player...and it's not truly vintage. With the herd you already own, it doesn't sound like money is that big of an issue, so if I were you, I'd return that one and hold out for something more true to the original...even if you have to unload a few of your current axes and spend a little more coin.

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