Educate me about Suhr guitars...

[xenophobe]

Hey i think it does its the opposite which doesnt work. A gotoh sometimes will not fit into a ofr route. Thats just my experience.

I can try this tomorrow. I never tried to put a Floyd in a Gotoh route. I have one MIJ Fender that left the factory with a Gotoh. I'll see how well a Floyd will fit. If there is any problem, I report back.

[Shawn Lutz]

The body woods are a good point too. There are so many killer maple topped Suhr's slapped on top of basswood or alder which to me they are the bottom two rungs on my body tone wood ladder chart lol.

There is no question whatsoever that they build top-notch guitars. You can order whatever you want. I'm a bigger fan of Suhr's amps though

[Dog Boy]

I sold my Suhr and took a bath doing it. Re-sale is iffy at best.

[dannyr]

Asking opinions of Suhr guitars on the Jackson forum probably isn't going to get you the unbiased responses that you are looking for. You're gonna get too many guys that are convinced that their cheap import model Jacksons are better than anything Suhr is producing anyway. I can't speak about the Suhr production series, but I believe the custom shop guitars are top notch from top to bottom. There are tons of options available, and they will practically build you any combination you want. The custom shop wait times aren't bad. Top notch customer service. Priced competitive with other customer guitars. They produce one hell of a guitar. What's not to like?

[xenophobe]

Asking opinions of Suhr guitars on the Jackson forum probably isn't going to get you the unbiased responses that you are looking for. You're gonna get too many guys that are convinced that their cheap import model Jacksons are better than anything Suhr is producing anyway.

Where in this thread, or in any other, do you see anybody saying anything negative about Suhr other than you? Just curious. lol If you look, there's quite a bit of "off-brand love" here. This is one of the most active sub-forums here.

For me, I'm especially impressed how they make their necks and then let them age and settle for 6+ months before doing anything else to them. I don't think any other manufacturer does this.

[Shawn Lutz]

Asking opinions of Suhr guitars on the Jackson forum probably isn't going to get you the unbiased responses that you are looking for. You're gonna get too many guys that are convinced that their cheap import model Jacksons are better than anything Suhr is producing anyway. I can't speak about the Suhr production series, but I believe the custom shop guitars are top notch from top to bottom. There are tons of options available, and they will practically build you any combination you want. The custom shop wait times aren't bad. Top notch customer service. Priced competitive with other customer guitars. They produce one hell of a guitar. What's not to like?

I can understand that but I think we have a pretty objective group around here and not too blinded with fanboisim for any particular brand. Although I know this is a Jackson Charvel board I still come here for the people I've met here over the years (and I only own one USA jJckson and 2 USA woodburn necks), not because of their devotion to the brand. People know good guitars when they play them and the name on the headstock is the least thing to worry about

[shreddermon]

Dannyr, no matter where you ask for opinions they'll be subject to bias. That's why they're "opinions", bro. Subjective preferences and biases, based on personal experience. These are the things that make up our guitar preferences. I knew there were quite a few Suhr fans on this board, and figured I might get a more balanced reaction here than from some of the "true believer" fans on the Suhr forum itself. After I learn more, I might eventually poke around there, too. There is no "right" or "wrong" on the subject, just opinions. ...If I were new to J/C guitars and looking for opinions on them, I might not ask here first, either.

And I don't see anyone bashing Suhr here. Seems pretty universal that all respect that they're cool & quality guitars, especially their custom jobs. But just like any other brand, some is a well-deserved rep for quality, and some is more hype than reality. When you're selling a product, that's just a given in its marketing. Anyway, it's all good.

[killerburst]

Could be it works on some guitars, depending on the the route. The answer from Suhr was a definitive, "Sorry, it will not fit." I haven't tried it personally, so I'm stuck asking the Suhr guys until I try it myself. My Suhr is from 2004 and still has a German Floyd. We sold the Modern Satin with the OFR so I can't even compare the different routes at the moment. Next time I have two Suhrs with both bridges in stock I will take some detailed measurements and see where the difference(s) might be.

Hey i think it does its the opposite which doesnt work. A gotoh sometimes will not fit into a ofr route. Thats just my experience.

[xenophobe]

Could be it works on some guitars, depending on the the route. The answer from Suhr was a definitive, "Sorry, it will not fit." I haven't tried it personally, so I'm stuck asking the Suhr guys until I try it myself. My Suhr is from 2004 and still has a German Floyd. We sold the Modern Satin with the OFR so I can't even compare the different routes at the moment. Next time I have two Suhrs with both bridges in stock I will take some detailed measurements and see where the difference(s) might be.

It's not the baseplate or string clamp screws, they don't interfere and for the most part, are identical to the baseplate dimensions of an OFR. I'm fairly certain any compatibility concerns would be for the actual route for the trem block. The Gotoh trem block sits closer to the trem post edges on the baseplate compared with the OFR, so putting an OFR into a Gotoh route could possibly keep you from pulling up on the OFR. Routing to fix this would be minimal. You'd probably need to shave one or two milimeters off of the inside of the route. I'll learn more later tonight when I actually swap a Gotoh in a Gotoh route for an OFR. Of course, it's not a Suhr, it's a MIJ Fender, so I'm hoping and fairly confident that the dimensions of the route are actually Gotoh spec and not a vanilla OFR route.

[xenophobe]

I just tried the OFR in my MIJ Strat. Apparently the Gotoh baseplate is a little longer than the OFR and fills the recess a little better. As for cross-compatibility, the OFR fits in just fine. It's possible that it's a standard OFR route, and if that's the case the Gotoh works perfectly.

As for the OFR not fitting a Suhr, it would have to mean that the route was specifically designed to fit a Suhr and not fit the OFR. Each trem, in all the guitars I've swapped... a 2010 MIJ Fender that shipped from the factory with a recessed Gotoh, my 2008 CS ESP Strathead that shipped with a recessed OFR, my recessed 2012 CS Charvel Strathead w/OFR, my non-recessed CS Jackson Strathead with Schaller, another Fender parts guitar... all have no problems with interchangeability. I did have to mill a few 42mm Gotoh blocks down to 37.5 as to be compatible with routes for both 42 and 32mm, but otherwise no other interference issues.

[Shawn Lutz]

I think the label the differences in fitting and functioning. I've ran into the issue on recessed only. The trem actually fits on post but some older OFR's have longer allen screws that will stick out a hair past the back of the recessed routing...the OFR still worked but you'd lose a hair of upward pull because the allens hit the top of the body and don't clear the recess entirely...stillworks fine and losing a bit of upward pull is no biggie. I'm nto sure how this is with Suhr's Gotoh route with an OFR.

[xenophobe]

I think the label the differences in fitting and functioning. I've ran into the issue on recessed only. The trem actually fits on post but some older OFR's have longer allen screws that will stick out a hair past the back of the recessed routing...the OFR still worked but you'd lose a hair of upward pull because the allens hit the top of the body and don't clear the recess entirely...stillworks fine and losing a bit of upward pull is no biggie. I'm nto sure how this is with Suhr's Gotoh route with an OFR.

I had the opposite experience. In putting the Gotoh in my ESP, I had one screw hit the body like that, until I intonated it, then it was fine. If there was an issue with screw clearance, all you'd need to do is grind maybe 1/2mm off the threaded end of one, maybe two screws. Suhr would have to have created a route that wouldn't fit the OFR, because they're both really close.

[rgx]

Well, I don't think I'm a fanboy, but after buying my first Suhr Pro S2, I've bought two more Suhr's and considering ordering more. I own some other nice guitars, but these get the most of play time
Btw, mine are alder bodied, not basswood. I'm blown away by the quality and consistence and I've tried a lot Suhrs at a local dealer who usually has about 30-40 of them in stock and never a lemon at all.

[killerburst]

...Suhr would have to have created a route that wouldn't fit the OFR, because they're both really close.

That's quite likely. If the OFR route didn't fit the Gotoh precisely the way he liked, he would have created a new one. Similarly, the routes on Suhr guitars are different for covered and uncovered humbuckers.