Kwestion about the other guitar companies

[Newc]

Re: Kwestion about the other guitar companies

There's also the fact that you can get a USA Jackson off Ebay for under $1000 most of the time. Yeah it's a little used and beat up, but as long as it's got a good neck and body, everything else can be fixed.

Newc

[Kamo]

Re: Kwestion about the other guitar companies

I just got back from a place called "Music Mall" And they had a buncha jacksons there. I got to play a Kelly, with a blue swirrl lookin kinda thing, with 2 duncan designed invader looking things, a volume knob, and a selector switch.

Then i got to try out the one with the pickup that i'd been looking for. The Hotrail. It had a H/S/S, and was a soloist, with some kinda hawaiian yellow/orange burst, 2 hotrails, and a JB. I liked em all [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

I also got to try a Dinky, with the same combination, only it was transparent blue with a flame top. Then i saw some LTDs in the corner, and decided "what the foozle" and tried an explorer with emg-hz pickups. *muddy as all fluck, and felt like a toy*

The jacksons were all USA modles, except for the kelly, and my opinion is: They're good, but i'm used to Ibanez. With a few pickup changes, i can make my RG250DX sound just like that soloist. There may be a few quality issues with my RG that the Soloist doesn't have, like how all the frets on the soloist are properly covered on the binding *the RG has a few that look uncovered* but that's nothing to cry over.

Put it this way. I think Jackson overall is better with quality, and stock. The feel didn't really make a difference to me. If anything, i like my RG more. But that's probably just because i'm used to it. I still want an RR1, white with black bevles though [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

[edit] ooooooh yea, i also got to try out a PC1 Phil Collen. That sustainer thing is very handy if you don't have an e-bow on hand ^.^ Heuge neck though o.O

[ April 27, 2003, 08:58 PM: Message edited by: Kamo ]

[Boxcar Willie 84]

Re: Kwestion about the other guitar companies

You can't make your RG sound just like a Soloist by changing the pickups...the construction and woods are different on both. Both of those things make a big difference in the tone.

[Luke]

Re: Kwestion about the other guitar companies

2 Hotrails and a JB? That ain't a USA Soloist I don't think. They have two stacked single-coil-size humbuckers in the Neck and Mid. positions. Thats probably a Japanese SL3. Plus, the finish was probably Amber Sunburst, I'd reckon

And the blue swirl thing is the new (or reintroduced, or whatever it is) Cobalt Blue Swirl finish. Looks cool.

And a Dinky with two Hotrails and a humbucker? Was it a Charvel? Sounds like the Charvel Traditional, but then again that has a Hotrail/Cool Rails/Custom 5 combination, and a quilt top.

Unless they weren't new, or were NOS, when I'm talking crap. [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img]

[PowerTube]

Re: Kwestion about the other guitar companies

I don't generally "bash" other companies, but I've been known to partake in some fun directed at Ibanez.

For Example!

I do like some other guitars, such as:

Fenders with the oversized "70's" headstock. Even some Squiers, too.

The Fender Yngwie model.

Some high-end Gibsons, a few Epiphones.

I love the Kramers from the 80's.

The Ernie Ball Axis rules.

[ April 28, 2003, 07:15 AM: Message edited by: PowerTube ]

[Kamo]

Re: Kwestion about the other guitar companies

Well willy, my ear isn't as picky as yours. So i think i can. The two models i played were used, so that could explain the pickup array. like, one of the Kellys i played had a dimebucker in it. I didn't like it lol. Sounded too "twangy" but that was probably cuz i was playing it through a clean amp. *shrugs* oh well. I'll have to check it out again.

Anyway, everyone has their own opinions. I like my ibanez.

*sigh* Morgan *the freak in robotics who says "Kill you in the face"* says "Hi!"

P.S. He read this letter.

[Boxcar Willie 84]

Re: Kwestion about the other guitar companies

Just keep thinkin' that pal...

[~K~]

Re: Kwestion about the other guitar companies

I can't believe the music mall let you touch any of their guitars.. whic one you go to Manchester?... Who did you talk with

[Kamo]

Re: Kwestion about the other guitar companies

I went to manchester, and talked to a guy named Larry. There was also this other guy who was blond, and looked like he was gonna kill me, but was actually a pretty cool guy. He's the one that i'm gonna buy the Hotrail from. Why can't you beleive they let me touch the guitars?

[Ace]

Re: Kwestion about the other guitar companies

I like some of the Ibanez necks out there, but I feel they simply fall short of Jackson guitars across the board when it comes down to it. Also, EVERYONE has Ibanez, and they did they whole nu-metal scene. Also, the top of the line Ibanez aren't really all that good.

I like big fat vintage Les Pauls with ebony fretboards, but they are absurdley pricey, and I really can't play on them anywhere near as well as on a Jackson.

I have played very few Fenders that I like, most notably a 1970-something Strat with a rosewood fretboard. I could tell it was made completely different from the new ones, it was much heavier and felt real soild.

When I was in Japan Fernandes at least had some interesting looking guitars, though I don't remember exactly how they played, it was several years ago, but they looked at least like they were trying something new.

BC Rich has some nice guitars, but all of their lower-end guitars are crap, IMO. Kudos to them for at least trying new body shapes out.

[mulder1966]

Re: Kwestion about the other guitar companies

I think that the people who play Fenders and Gibsons bash the crap out of Jacksons. A lot of the people that I know, who play those guitars wouldn't p#ss on a Jackson if it where on fire.
They think it is a sub-standard guitar, but the ones I know have never owned a Jackson, so how could they know. I don't like most of the other guitars that much, but I have owned them before, and wouldn't go off on them in general. The people who rip on guitars, are the same guys you see in the back of the club with arms crossed, looking angry. Everyone knows those guys! [img]graemlins/brow.gif[/img]

[gemini8026]

Re: Kwestion about the other guitar companies

A Jackson guitar was the nicest I have ever owned.

After a certain price point, you just dont see much more aside from bs frills, name recognition, and a smaller bank account.

Ibanez charges too much. Look at what an Ibanez JEM DNA goes for on Ebay, a 10th anniversary. It's not much different from a standard high end RG except from "rare" paint jobs and a few odds and ends.

ESP charge too much as well, mostly because of their current endorsements. Compare a Hanneman ESP to a Soloist. Then compare prices :/

Carvin do a good job in building nice instruments, at a decent cost, with lots of customisation.

Fender and Gibson. Charge too much solely on their name. Compare a Strat to a Soloist. Neck thru vs Huge heel. Great finish, modern features like a 24 fret neck, jumbo frets, nice inlays, top notch pups. Compare prices.....

Gibson. 22 Frets, tough ACCESS to those frets. Dated designs. In terms of Ergonomics, the Superstrat in theory is the easiest to play. Large cutaways, jumbo frets, nice flat neck, neck thru.

YEt Gibson still charges a huge price on a guitar that hasnt evolved.

The people with the money are the babyboomers, and the 30+ crowd FOR THE MOST PART. They want vintage, they get vintage, they have the money.


the bashing goes towards companies who sell for inflated prices to their demographics. Ibanez, Gibson, Fender, PRS, etc, all cater to certain groups guitars that ARENT overly expensive to build, thats why I respect Carvin.

Low Prices, comparable build rate to most high end manu's, REAL prices that allow you to customise and enjoy a large diversity.

My next guitar is still gonna be a Custom Shop Jackson though.

We bash the companies that charge too much for guitars that we crave for [img]images/icons/tongue.gif[/img]

[roodyrocker]

Re: Kwestion about the other guitar companies

I don't bash the other companies. I own Jackson, Gibson, Fender, ESP, Ibanez, and Ernie Ball Music Man guitars currently. Its not that the others are bad, its just that Jackson is better in my opinion. There are other issues involved as many others pointed out already. Specifically, you can buy nearly two USA Jacksons for the price of one Les Paul. My Les Paul seems fine quality wise but if I had to go with just one guitar it would be a Jackson every time.

Rudy

[Kamo]

Re: Kwestion about the other guitar companies

Well the only problem i can see with Ibanez guitars is the crappy pickups. The price really doesn't effect me. Sure JEMs are a lot, but i look at it as an artist modle. I beleive artists modles are expected to be way overpriced anyway. Look at the KH modles, and the RR modles. Not bashing, i just don't like the price. I'm sure the RR modles are wonderful guitars. If i could ever get the chance to stand up and play one comfertably, i'm sure i'd be perfectly happy!*Don't hurt me >.<*

I'd say that most of the low end RG modles are moderately priced. I wish i could order parts from Ibanez though. Too bad they're paranoid about us using their parts to make our own custom shop lines, and selling them. *an Earcraft employee told me that, soooo if it sounds stupid, that's why*
I agree that ESP/LTD is pretty much overpriced in every way.
Gibson and Fender keep coming out with new modle strats that all look and sound the same to me.

[777SteveVai777]

Re: Kwestion about the other guitar companies

To me, the Jem is priced extremley well(except the 555 model), and are worth EVERY SINGLE PENNY. How many high end Jems have you tried, Kamo?

EDIT: Also, you CAN order parts from Ibanez.

[ May 02, 2003, 08:29 PM: Message edited by: Word ]