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**2Loud2Old** · 08-22-2003, 01:16 AM

Re: Kramer 1984

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Mike has a review. Most people think they carry the "old" vibe quite well.

**slayer** · 08-22-2003, 10:22 PM

Re: Kramer 1984

Are they made in Japan or? The Frets look small, what size are they? I wish they came with an optional Rosewood Board [img]graemlins/baby.gif[/img] I do like it though [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] You know what, nut width looks not very wide? I think maybe it might be a little too Vintage for me, I love the look and all, but the nut width and the maple thing [img]graemlins/eyes.gif[/img] Hmmmmmmm.. Jack.

**hippietim** · 08-22-2003, 11:42 PM

Re: Kramer 1984

made in korea, assembled in the usa

**2Loud2Old** · 08-23-2003, 01:45 AM

Re: Kramer 1984

Originally posted by slayer:
Are they made in Japan or? The Frets look small, what size are they? I wish they came with an optional Rosewood Board [img]graemlins/baby.gif[/img] I do like it though [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] You know what, nut width looks not very wide? I think maybe it might be a little too Vintage for me, I love the look and all, but the nut width and the maple thing [img]graemlins/eyes.gif[/img] Hmmmmmmm.. Jack.

There are no options. Nor should there be.

There are a near-perfect replica of Eddies "1984" axe.

I hear what you're saying tho, I don't like small frets either.

**chromeguru** · 08-23-2003, 07:40 AM

Re: Kramer 1984

I have an original one from back in the day. A great guitar even in todays standards. Even with the small frets on these new ones, still a pretty good deal for that price.

**trillian guitars** · 08-23-2003, 01:21 PM

Re: Kramer 1984

ive got one here in our shop.....they arent even close to eddies guitar....the headstock is wrong and the body is a weird shape, not at all like eddies....the one we have has the skunk stripe protruding through the back...you can actual hang your thumbnail on it....set up it played fine and sound good...the pick up is pretty decent....but overall the workmanship is what you would expect from korea...the necks were rather chunky too

**2Loud2Old** · 08-23-2003, 10:52 PM

Re: Kramer 1984

Originally posted by chromeguru:
I have an original one from back in the day. A great guitar even in todays standards. Even with the small frets on these new ones, still a pretty good deal for that price.

How could you have one from "back in the day" when the guitar was never a production model?1?!? [img]graemlins/bs.gif[/img]

[ August 23, 2003, 10:55 PM: Message edited by: 2Loud2Old ]

**2Loud2Old** · 08-23-2003, 11:05 PM

Re: Kramer 1984

Originally posted by Trillian Guitars:
ive got one here in our shop.....they arent even close to eddies guitar....the headstock is wrong and the body is a weird shape, not at all like eddies....the one we have has the skunk stripe protruding through the back...you can actual hang your thumbnail on it....set up it played fine and sound good...the pick up is pretty decent....but overall the workmanship is what you would expect from korea...the necks were rather chunky too

I havn't actually seen one in person, but the body looks the same as my 85 Pacer, maybe side by side it might be different, but I can't see it in the pics and as far as I know from listening to Mike and the others, it appears the Pacer body was the template for the 5150 guitar.

As for the neck, it was a custom job right?!?

Head stock looks pretty good in the pics as well.

But I assume you were comparing "their" replica to "yours"

What did you use to come up with your template?

[ August 23, 2003, 11:07 PM: Message edited by: 2Loud2Old ]

**Chuckracer** · 08-24-2003, 02:55 AM

Re: Kramer 1984

2Loud2Old, why are you always challenging people and picking fights?

#1: "An original one from back in the day" would mean an original Barretta or Pacer. So [img]graemlins/bs.gif[/img] right back atcha.

#2: Trillian Guitars here has forgotten more about vintage Kramers than you will ever know, so if he says it's junk, it's junk. Why would you assume he's comparing his replica to Kramers? Why would you question what he made his templates from? Who the fukk are you? [img]graemlins/bs.gif[/img]

Why am I jumping you? Because I'm reminded of the infamous Poplar thread and you wading in with all sorts of "knowledge" which, after some quick research, meant you had just gotten you first USA Jackson and it was poplar, so in comparison to all the cheap stuff you've owned before, it was the best. You don't know crap and I am blown away by the way you just jump into something like this spouting off in an arena where you are severly oputgunned in real world knowledge. Hows about you sit back, read, and learn instead of trying to prove something and burning yourself in the process.

Chuck (gettin real sick of the BS here...)

**trillian guitars** · 08-24-2003, 03:11 PM

Re: Kramer 1984

easy now chuck, im not offended.....

actually, calling it junk is a little over the top....it plays ok enough....but it aint even close to eddies...there were some disturbing manufacturing goofs, like the skunk stripe, the peghead is too thick, rough routing cuts etc....they didnt use a pacer as a template....its shorter, fatter has the wrong edge radius, wrong upper and lower bouts everything.....it just looks silly....everyone who came over looked at it and said the same things...its not a matter of compettition, especially since im closing down vh guitarstore and will only make 5150s for friends or repeat customers...music yo can make these all they want along with reissues of the baretta and nightswan....more power to them.....we are moving forward, not looking behind

oh and my templates were made from actual guitars as all of my templates are.,..

**lerxstcat** · 08-24-2003, 10:49 PM

Re: Kramer 1984

I can see the headstock is off, but don't have the knowledge to appraise the rest; I WILL say it doesn't look NEARLY as bad
as Meanstreet's version! THAT one looks
plain GOOFY.

Rather than spending that money on a not
true replica, if I wanted a Kramer look I'd just get one of the new Strikers for
$199. I think that'd be more satisfying
than a "reissue" that only stands a casual inspection. Then again, I really
prefer 24-fret guitars, so I wouldn't consider these "1984" repros unless they
were getting rave reviews. They aren't,
so neither am I.

**2Loud2Old** · 08-24-2003, 11:07 PM

Re: Kramer 1984

Originally posted by Chuckracer:
2Loud2Old, why are you always challenging people and picking fights?

#1: "An original one from back in the day" would mean an original Barretta or Pacer. So [img]graemlins/bs.gif[/img] right back atcha.

Well Chuck, We wer'nt talking about a Baretta or Pacer. We were talking about Kramers "new" replica which is NOT supposed to be a Baretta, nor a Pacer. It is supposed to be a decent copy of one of Eddie's guitars. EVH's guitars which were not production by any stretch of the imagination.

If the guy was talking about a Baretta or Pacer, he shoulda said, but since we weere talking about a EVH clone..... I think it should be clear why I was sarcastic. Unless YOU had a non-existant Production Eddie Kramer too.

So why you went off on your tirade, I dunno, but more power to ya. [img]graemlins/eyes.gif[/img]

#2: Trillian Guitars here has forgotten more about vintage Kramers than you will ever know, so if he says it's junk, it's junk. Why would you assume he's comparing his replica to Kramers? Why would you question what he made his templates from? Who the fukk are you? [img]graemlins/bs.gif[/img]

Why am I jumping you? Because I'm reminded of the infamous Poplar thread and you wading in with all sorts of "knowledge" which, after some quick research, meant you had just gotten you first USA Jackson and it was poplar, so in comparison to all the cheap stuff you've owned before, it was the best. You don't know crap and I am blown away by the way you just jump into something like this spouting off in an arena where you are severly oputgunned in real world knowledge. Hows about you sit back, read, and learn instead of trying to prove something and burning yourself in the process.

Chuck (gettin real sick of the BS here...)

First of all, I'm not gonna get into what I know or don't know, but I've been arounde J/C, Kramer et all since 87.

I've had many guitars in my day, and played many more.

Not all of em "cheap", but the ones that were, were real smooth.

Spout off all the bull**** you want about me, you don't know anything about me so what you think pretty much amounts to a pile of ant **** in a gutter.

[ August 24, 2003, 11:11 PM: Message edited by: 2Loud2Old ]

**2Loud2Old** · 08-24-2003, 11:21 PM

Re: Kramer 1984

One more thing Chuck.

Where the hell did you get that crap about Poplar!??

I never claimed to know more about tone woods than anybody else.

I argued that perception was subjective and no-one has abetter idea of what sounds good over another person, all opinions are valid.

The argument that I need to have a closet of US Jacksons is pretty lame, and downright elitest.

You whole post attacking me made no sense, all you told me was that I know nothing, but like I said, since YOU don't know me, I can't get to worked up about what YOU think, can I?!?

[img]graemlins/toast.gif[/img]

**2Loud2Old** · 08-24-2003, 11:25 PM

Re: Kramer 1984

Originally posted by Trillian Guitars:
easy now chuck, im not offended.....

actually, calling it junk is a little over the top....it plays ok enough....but it aint even close to eddies...there were some disturbing manufacturing goofs, like the skunk stripe, the peghead is too thick, rough routing cuts etc....they didnt use a pacer as a template....its shorter, fatter has the wrong edge radius, wrong upper and lower bouts everything.....it just looks silly....everyone who came over looked at it and said the same things...its not a matter of compettition, especially since im closing down vh guitarstore and will only make 5150s for friends or repeat customers...music yo can make these all they want along with reissues of the baretta and nightswan....more power to them.....we are moving forward, not looking behind

oh and my templates were made from actual guitars as all of my templates are.,..

Oh, and I wasn't attacking you.. at least I didn't mean to.

As I said, I don't have a "1984", my opinion is based on mostly vintageKramers thoughts and some discussions on the Kramer board.

I was merely trying to understand what you were basing your opinions on.

But since Chuck seemed to get a case of rabies and go on the assault, I must have not communicated that well enough. [img]graemlins/toast.gif[/img]

[ August 24, 2003, 11:25 PM: Message edited by: 2Loud2Old ]

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