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  • #91
    Re: KH2 keep it or ?

    I've no doubt that some sig models are very popular and are in demand right now.

    10-20 years from now, no one will care.

    Sig guitars reflect the personality of the guitar player, not a guitar maker.

    A LP, or a STRAT or a RR1 are UNIQUE, defining guitars. NOT special interest "sig" models.


    What sig guitar, more than 10 years old, is worth more than a new purchase price, or even 70 percent of original value?


    I can think of maybe.. 2, and none of them are ESP.


    I can't imagine the day when a KH2 will be worth even 30 percent more than new.

    Go price a strat or LP from even 84 on up.

    ESP has/is always been a "copy" manufacturer. As such, potential collectability of thier guitars will always be in jeapordy.

    Jackson, on the other hand, is a TRUE inovator, spawning generations of not only guitar players, but guitar manufacturing and NEW guitar styles.

    Jackson/Charvel invented the modern, hot rod guitar.

    ESP invented nothing.

    Only now are Jacksons/Charvels SLOWLY becoming recognized as true collectable guitars.

    You think ESP, whom have become succesfull by copying others will reach a similar status wihin the next 10-15 years???

    I seriously doubt it.

    I'm not saying a KH2 or OUIJA are not great axes, they are.

    I'll take any bet that says they'll come close to a LP or US Strat in terms of "collectability"

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    • #92
      Re: KH2 keep it or ?

      I've no doubt that some sig models are very popular and are in demand right now.

      10-20 years from now, no one will care.

      Sig guitars reflect the personality of the guitar player, not a guitar maker.

      A LP, or a STRAT or a RR1 are UNIQUE, defining guitars. NOT special interest "sig" models.


      What sig guitar, more than 10 years old, is worth more than a new purchase price, or even 70 percent of original value?


      I can think of maybe.. 2, and none of them are ESP.


      I can't imagine the day when a KH2 will be worth even 30 percent more than new.

      Go price a strat or LP from even 84 on up.

      ESP has/is always been a "copy" manufacturer. As such, potential collectability of thier guitars will always be in jeapordy.

      Jackson, on the other hand, is a TRUE inovator, spawning generations of not only guitar players, but guitar manufacturing and NEW guitar styles.

      Jackson/Charvel invented the modern, hot rod guitar.

      ESP invented nothing.

      Only now are Jacksons/Charvels SLOWLY becoming recognized as true collectable guitars.

      You think ESP, whom have become succesfull by copying others will reach a similar status wihin the next 10-15 years???

      I seriously doubt it.

      I'm not saying a KH2 or OUIJA are not great axes, they are.

      I'll take any bet that says they'll come close to a LP or US Strat in terms of "collectability"

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      • #93
        Re: KH2 keep it or ?

        Just as an adjunct, I certainly don't claim to have a crystal ball.

        My opinions are based solely on my observations of what I feel are the "Foundation Guitars of Rock" Gibson Les Paul and the Fender Stratocaster.

        Th next big thing is finaly starting to turn to the "Foundation Guitars of Metal" A newer breed for a newer evolution in guitar playing.

        Jackson/Charvel and Kramer come to mind.

        While ESP and Ibanez belong to that family tree, they are more also-rans and interpreters rather than building blocks in my opinion.

        Which in turn fuel my belief that for the most part, collectablility will remain minimal at best in the long term for those brands.

        [ November 08, 2003, 07:46 AM: Message edited by: 2Loud2Old ]

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        • #94
          Re: KH2 keep it or ?

          Just as an adjunct, I certainly don't claim to have a crystal ball.

          My opinions are based solely on my observations of what I feel are the "Foundation Guitars of Rock" Gibson Les Paul and the Fender Stratocaster.

          Th next big thing is finaly starting to turn to the "Foundation Guitars of Metal" A newer breed for a newer evolution in guitar playing.

          Jackson/Charvel and Kramer come to mind.

          While ESP and Ibanez belong to that family tree, they are more also-rans and interpreters rather than building blocks in my opinion.

          Which in turn fuel my belief that for the most part, collectablility will remain minimal at best in the long term for those brands.

          [ November 08, 2003, 07:46 AM: Message edited by: 2Loud2Old ]

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          • #95
            Re: KH2 keep it or ?

            O.K. are you willing to make a wager. I bet you 500 dollars in ten years limited run ESP sig models will be worth more than they are today. I am not talking about regular production KH2 but the limited run ones. If the JCF is around in ten years to this day and I am wrong I will Paypal you 500 dollars if not you can Paypal me. [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

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            • #96
              Re: KH2 keep it or ?

              O.K. are you willing to make a wager. I bet you 500 dollars in ten years limited run ESP sig models will be worth more than they are today. I am not talking about regular production KH2 but the limited run ones. If the JCF is around in ten years to this day and I am wrong I will Paypal you 500 dollars if not you can Paypal me. [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

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              • #97
                Re: KH2 keep it or ?

                I'll take that bet!

                Hell, I should be able to save up $500.00 by that time. You were talking Canadian right?!? [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img]

                We need to define a few models, and an average, definable market price that they must reach.

                Say.. list plus 30 percent?!? [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

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                • #98
                  Re: KH2 keep it or ?

                  I'll take that bet!

                  Hell, I should be able to save up $500.00 by that time. You were talking Canadian right?!? [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img]

                  We need to define a few models, and an average, definable market price that they must reach.

                  Say.. list plus 30 percent?!? [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

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                  • #99
                    Re: KH2 keep it or ?

                    man im almost for ak 47 on this one........well all i know is that i want his esp explorer......please...please..please sell it to me.......i'll give you all my equipment...

                    thats why im with ak47.....

                    think about it AK.....
                    i want it...

                    my 2 cents [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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                    • Re: KH2 keep it or ?

                      man im almost for ak 47 on this one........well all i know is that i want his esp explorer......please...please..please sell it to me.......i'll give you all my equipment...

                      thats why im with ak47.....

                      think about it AK.....
                      i want it...

                      my 2 cents [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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                      • Re: KH2 keep it or ?

                        Since there doesn't seem to be a formal place for the depositing for everyone's "2 cents", I'd like to volunteer to be the site. From now on, anytime someone has "2 cents" they're giving away on the internet, please make sure to send them to me. [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

                        Stu

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                        • Re: KH2 keep it or ?

                          Since there doesn't seem to be a formal place for the depositing for everyone's "2 cents", I'd like to volunteer to be the site. From now on, anytime someone has "2 cents" they're giving away on the internet, please make sure to send them to me. [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

                          Stu

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                          • Re: KH2 keep it or ?

                            I wonder if this bet was around in the 80s, when there was signature guitars for Paul Dean, Ace Frehley, Jeff Cook, Adrian Vandenberg, Alan Holdsworth, Luke and others that sell for a fraction of their list prices today..........

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                            • Re: KH2 keep it or ?

                              I wonder if this bet was around in the 80s, when there was signature guitars for Paul Dean, Ace Frehley, Jeff Cook, Adrian Vandenberg, Alan Holdsworth, Luke and others that sell for a fraction of their list prices today..........

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                              • Re: KH2 keep it or ?

                                Originally posted by Accept2:
                                I wonder if this bet was around in the 80s, when there was signature guitars for Paul Dean, Ace Frehley, Jeff Cook, Adrian Vandenberg, Alan Holdsworth, Luke and others that sell for a fraction of their list prices today..........
                                <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">My point exactly.

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