why do they go JACKSON USA to ESP?

[BigDaddyD]

Re: why do they go JACKSON USA to ESP?

Kramer simply had to many things going on at once and their cash outflows were huge. They had multiple guitar lines at different price points and had to pay their endorses. On top of that I believe they were even financing tours and other such crap. The company was not run well from a business standpoint. I remember in college, I knew this guy who supposedly knew one of the owners sons and told me that Kramer was going under and he could have gotten me whatever and as many as I wanted for like $300. Too bad I had no money.

[86barettaguy]

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randyvan: the "American" series were simply ESPs assembled in the US. But looking at vintagekramer.com it seems that ESP and Kramer worked together before the "American" series (with ESP making necks). I don't know. they were good guitars though, and Kramer never said they were "made in the USA", they just didn't tell anyone they weren't [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img]
The company was poorly managed though. Even if EVH hadn't left them they would have gone under. It's a shame, but in a way it's also a good thing because Kramers got a bad rep and up until now used Kramers were available for a really low price... I'm guessing people are starting to catch on and the price is going slowly up...

[lerxstcat]

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Originally posted by randyvanmalmsteen:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by slayer:
Poor Dave, 11 Jacksons to 1 a year, that is just being so terrible to him, it must have hurt him so much [img]graemlins/baby.gif[/img] he switched to ESPeeeeee [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] Now that is the meaning of Greed [img]graemlins/fart.gif[/img] I would be very gratefull to get 1 Free Jackson a year, and I meen very gratefull [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] Jack.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">If this is true, dave must be a real sissy boy!
[img]images/icons/rolleyes.gif[/img]
I mean WTF? he already has numerous jacksons so who gives a rats ass if the company is only alloting 1 a year [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]
I would kill to get a U.S.A jackson a year!
Hey F**K him if that aint good enough! i take the damn endorsement! [img]graemlins/drool2.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/headbang.gif[/img] </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The difference is that neither of you have several platinum albums to your credit, nor have you inspired millions of kids to take up the electric guitar. Dave Mustaine HAS those credentials, so he can expect more than you from the company whose guitars he plays. I say IF
you are ever in his shoes, ask yourself this question again and decide whether a company that you've sold many guitars for should cut you down to 1/11 of what you had before. Les Paul still gets a Les Paul from Gibson every month; when was his last album put out? Of course, Les really DID invent and design HIS guitar, but still...

[lerxstcat]

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Originally posted by Boxcar Willie 84:
The Scott Ian JJ2 model is neckthru.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">My bad then; thought I saw a bolt-neck in an ad. It's just the fugly ransom-note looking logo then. If you had a normal Jackson logo in MOP positioned on top like a Gibson logo, that'd be cool. That and 24 frets, then it'd be cool.

[Boxcar Willie 84]

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They did make a few with bolt-on necks, the first ones that came out had them, but the JJ2 is the only one still in production.

[toejam]

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That may be true, too. I remember reading EVH also was a little upset about the ESP thing and Kramers not being made in the USA.

[diablomozart]

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hmmm...i gotta agree with black mariah in this case...we all love our c/j's but if esp (carvin, hamer, insert company name here) waved a big check in your face to play their instruments?...that'd be hard to turn down...d.m.

[JonnyJobe]

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I may be in the minority about this, but I don't think it was greedy of Dave Mustaine to resent being cut down from 11 Jackson's a year to just 1. I mean, it's Dave Mustaine! Jackson SHOULD take care of their biggest name endorser. Who is left in the Jackson artists roster now? No discredit to most of them, but they don't have the name recognition of Dave. I think this is going to hurt Jackson more than anything in the long run. On a related note, losing Alexi Laiho, probably the most promising talent in metal right now, was a huge mistake. If Fender wanted a stake in the 'Metal Guitar' market they are not going about it the right way.

[Boxcar Willie 84]

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They've got Scott Ian, Phil Collen, Matt Crooks, Mitch Watkins...mostly guys who are in active bands, not sitting at their houses selling their old guitars on eBay. I don't blame them one bit for only giving him one guitar-not only did it happen to everyone, but I know that if I quit going to work then they'd most likely quit paying me...I think that holds true for just about everybody, including Dave Mustaine.

[Bob From Accounting]

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Originally posted by Boxcar Willie 84:
I quit going to work then they'd most likely quit paying me...

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Haha smart...I was gonna try that, then i remembered i don't have one [img]graemlins/eyes.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[lerxstcat]

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Endorsements are for name recognition, not whether you're gigging or recording right now. Anthrax and Def Leppard's stars have been fading for much longer than Megadeth's, and all respect to Matt and Mitch, but they are still virtual unknowns compared to Dave Mustaine. He is still a more valuable endorsee than those guys, again no disrespect to them.

[RacerX]

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Originally posted by Boxcar Willie 84:
if I quit going to work then they'd most likely quit paying me...I think that holds true for just about everybody, including Dave Mustaine.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Not if you got a work-related hand injury! [img]images/icons/tongue.gif[/img]

[Demon]

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Who's Dave Mustaine?

[randyvanmalmsteen]

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Originally posted by Demon:
Who's Dave Mustaine?

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">here i am!

[lerxstcat]

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Originally posted by Demon:
Who's Dave Mustaine?

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">C'mon man, even an Ibeenhad player must know about Dave Mustaine!! Who do you think you're kidding? If that was sarcasm it fell flat too! [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]