The Les Paul Thread

[LesPaulCustom]

Re: The Les Paul Thread

Originally posted by OnlineStageGear:
Shouldn't that have binding over frets ? I also noticed the bridge pickup is a little off, but I wouldn't put that past Gibson.

Matt

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">If it is a post 85 guitar, anything is possible. When Gibson was bought out by Norlin Industries, the rumor is that the quality level went down hill drastically.

It may have been refretted several times and altered.....I dunno....The headstock logo looks kinda hokey to me....but maybe I am just getting senile in my old age [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[charvelguy]

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Yes, my Greco Super Real LP Custom has an ebony board just like the real gibbys. I can post pics when I get around to it if you guys are interested in a Les Paul copy being on here.

Pretty sure the Orvilles & the Burny LP customs have ebony as well.

[Firebird V]

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Sure... It says LP thread... Not Gibby LP thread [img]images/icons/tongue.gif[/img]

[Firebird V]

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OK, Check this out. Notice the back of the HS. Late 70's valute
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...category=47072

I got one more but I gotta go get it. Be right back [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]


THESE ARE NOT MY AUCTIONS AND ARE HERE ONLY TO HELP ILLUSTRATE WITH PICS>

[Firebird V]

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Now this one show the sandwich body because of its natural color.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...&category=2384

You can see in your pics Newc that the sandwich on the body is really identical and the thickness looks the same too.

Maybe it is in fact a late 70's LPC with mods...

[Newc]

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Yeah, post pics of anything that looks like a Les Paul - it might help to positively ID this one [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

And yeah those two auctions do help - I knew the volute was a 70's thing, but the sandwich body was confusing, especially since the top half doesn't look like mahogany, but maybe it's just the way it was routed (lotsa burn marks from the router).

The only reason that it matters to me whether it's a Gibson or not is if I show it to someone and say it's a Gibson, when it's really not, and they know it's not a real Gibson, then I'd feel like a newbie spaz [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
It'd be better IMO for me if I just said 'Hey, check out this (Greco/Orville/Burny/whatever) Les Paul - man this thing smokes!' [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]
Plus I could do the Playboy mod to this one and then get a real deal LPC later [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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Hmmmm. Since Gibson already did a gloss black Playboy LP with a Silver Bunny on the body, maybe I could do a white one with an ebony bunny head inlaid over the toggle? [img]graemlins/scratchhead.gif[/img]
Nah, it's gotta have the fretboard inlay as well [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

Newc

[zeegler]

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I thinks it's a fake Matt. I'll take it off yer hands though for $400 [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img]

[Newc]

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Zeeg - Har har dee har [img]graemlins/evilimages/icons/tongue.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

Agreed about the neck heel - it's definitely not as long as my Standard, and the body is thinner as well, but then my Standard is a 92, and if this is a Norlin-era (70's), I do know there were some drastic changes made in that time.

There are 4 holes on either side of the truss rod cover that match up to a Kahler nut, and there's a crack in the finish in front of the stopbar that *might* match a Kahler route. I emailed the seller asking about a possible Kahler mod, but of course he apparently doesn't read his email except to receive payments [img]graemlins/eyes.gif[/img]

Anyhoo, guess I gotta email Skippy - I used to hang out at the Gibson board a coupla years ago, and me and him talked a few times.

Newc

[JACKSONFREAK]

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The pup issue with the cover on the bridge pup not lining up right is most likely an after market cover that didnt line up with the pole screws. The middle pup isnt stock and is probably a duncan. look at the height adjustment screws. They have flat head screws. Screams Duncan too me. But those could have been replaced too. But the middle pup isnt factory so I still say Duncan. [img]images/icons/tongue.gif[/img] The neck heel doeslook odd almost like it was reset and cut part of the heal off. The body looks right and thr ARB1 bridge is correct for an early mid '70s sandwich body. The headstock repair with the binding is a litle odd.
The binding just looks like it was hpahazzardly replaced. Probably by the previous owner who broke the headstock. The Valute is a bit odd for a 70's LP as they dotn really have one that big.
The logo with the missing dot on the I is legit for a late 50's LP but the HEadsock is too big. It couldbe a 57 reissue. With the mohagony neck. Its not a 70's neck cus those were three piece maple especailly on the sandwich bodies.
SO it could be all real Gibson parts just not from the same year.
The neck seems to fit odd and not go with what the body looks like for its year. Although the headstock looks like a 57 reissue and the body looks like a 70's I think the neck was replaced with an older design neck and then sanded off the finish after it was cracked.
It could also be a Univox copy or at least a Univox neck. a friend of mine just got a Univox copy of a Gibson Jazz box like a ES175 but the body is a bit bigger. The headstock is a dead ringer for a Gibson and the board is ebony.
So who knows.
Matt is the top of the body mohagony or maple?
If its mohagony that would go with the 57 reisuue theory except for the sandwich body. But it could be a 70's run of a 57 reissue. Norlan did change a few things on those.
I willalso look tomorrow at the Gruhn guide to see what the seriel reflects. Aside from the 5 digit number and being all ones. I would say its a 70'71 57 reissue.
Gil

[Newc]

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Cool. Very in-depth info [img]graemlins/toast.gif[/img]

As for the middle pickup, it's a Gibson - stamped into the bottom plate. The neck and bridge pickups are also Gibson (neck has a small "T" on the bottom, bridge has a solder joint over that spot so I can't tell). I also assumed the covers to be replacements. The cover on the middle pickup fits perfect. Also, the middle cover is a slightly different color than the other two.

The bridge pickup ring is crooked probably because of me - I took it off to check it and I think maybe a screw went in crooked - you can see the impression in the paint where the pickup ring is supposed to go.

As for the top half, I'd have to strip a piece of the topcoat off to know for sure, but it's not mahogany, unless it's Korina. It's lighter than the lower half.

Newc

[danhops]

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Heres my Heritage H-150.

[Firebird V]

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Cool axe Dan. Always wanted a Heritage.

[Bad-Brad]

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But its a copy. I like the real thing.

BB

[LesPaulCustom]

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Ummmm, Heritage guitars are more of a "real" Les Paul than post 1985 Gibson guitars are.

They are made by most of the original Gibson luthiers at the Kalamazoo MI plant.

Heritage guitars are awesome!!

[Budman68]

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Originally posted by LesPaulCustom:
Ummmm, Heritage guitars are more of a "real" Les Paul than post 1985 Gibson guitars are.

They are made by most of the original Gibson luthiers at the Kalamazoo MI plant.

Heritage guitars are awesome!!

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">agreed!


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