The Les Paul Thread

[Newc]

Re: The Les Paul Thread

Copies are fine, and the Heritage "copies" are way closer to the "real thing" - some are even closer than the Heritage and Historic Reissues.
It'd be the same as if Performance started making USA Charvels - same people in the old building.

Newc

[Bad-Brad]

Re: The Les Paul Thread

Originally posted by budman68:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by LesPaulCustom:
Ummmm, Heritage guitars are more of a "real" Les Paul than post 1985 Gibson guitars are.

They are made by most of the original Gibson luthiers at the Kalamazoo MI plant.

Heritage guitars are awesome!!

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Dave-> </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Agreed!

Yes they were the wonderful Norlin Years 3 peice necks sandwich bodys,lovely neck volutes, etc. These were the worst years for Gibson. So after 69 forget about it til the late 80's and where did all those workers go...well you know the answer. So I think your statment is strange [img]images/icons/frown.gif[/img]

Not saying that there weren't any good guitars made during this period there were few and far between. Gibson has been making some of thier finest guitars over the last 3 years just go play a few even the USA Standards with all those hole drilled in them and the short Neck Tenion sound good. The Historic line is truly out standing and blows the Heriatge line away in my HO.

My whole point is I don't care what you think I only stated that I like the real thing and the Heritage is not a Gibson Les Paul.

Like I said I rather play the real thing like this

Oh yeah by the way this was built before the Heritage boys worked there. It's the real thing [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img] I know it's not a 59 Burst but it's close [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

Hmmmm I thought this was a Les Paul thread

BB

[ February 21, 2004, 11:36 PM: Message edited by: Bad-Brad ]

[Bad-Brad]

Re: The Les Paul Thread

Go see Ed Roman if you want a Heritage. He's their no 1 distributor. [img]images/icons/shocked.gif[/img]

BB

[ February 21, 2004, 11:53 PM: Message edited by: Bad-Brad ]

[Firebird V]

Re: The Les Paul Thread

this thread is gettig to snooty for me... [img]graemlins/refuse.gif[/img]

[Budman68]

Re: The Les Paul Thread

Geez Brad, I was just pointing out my opinion bro. Was not targeting anyone and your les paul is very nice. As a matter of fact, you're a very lucky man to have that particular one but you don't have to get all defensive and cockey and act like it is "god". Didn't mean to disrespect you in any way so relax my friend [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img] All I have is a Gibson Studio(shown on the first page) but I think I have a right to express my opinions too as I have played quite a few Les Pauls, Heritage AND Gibson. Escuse me for not having the bucks or the luck to find such a guitar as yours.....


Dave->

[LesPaulCustom]

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Ya know...this is exactly why I DIDN"T want to post anything in this thread [img]images/icons/shocked.gif[/img]

Why is it some jackass has to fuck up the threads with their defensive, lame ass, I am God hear me roar bullshit!!!! [img]graemlins/evilimages/icons/tongue.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/bs.gif[/img]

Fact: The quality went downhill drastically after Norlin bought Gibson in 1985

Fact: The original luthiers of the Gibson factory weren't too keen on the idea of Norlins idea of management, or quality control, and bought the factory and created Heritage.

Fact: Don't be such a prick and snob with your Gibson, OK [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] I have a vintage Les Paul Custom so quit being a prick with yours [img]graemlins/poke.gif[/img]

Fact: Dave, Budman, is one of the most respected members of the JCF and is well liked by all.

We are entitled to our opinions just as you are and can freely voice them just as you. If you don't like it, don't let the ISP hit you in the ass on the way out the web, ummmmmmmkay [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

[Bad-Brad]

Re: The Les Paul Thread

Originally posted by LesPaulCustom:
Ya know...this is exactly why I DIDN"T want to post anything in this thread [img]images/icons/shocked.gif[/img]

Why is it some jackass has to fuck up the threads with their defensive, lame ass, I am God hear me roar bullshit!!!! [img]graemlins/evilimages/icons/tongue.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/bs.gif[/img]

Fact: The quality went downhill drastically after Norlin bought Gibson in 1985

Fact: The original luthiers of the Gibson factory weren't too keen on the idea of Norlins idea of management, or quality control, and bought the factory and created Heritage.

Fact: Don't be such a prick and snob with your Gibson, OK [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] I have a vintage Les Paul Custom so quit being a prick with yours [img]graemlins/poke.gif[/img]

Fact: Dave, Budman, is one of the most respected members of the JCF and is well liked by all.

We are entitled to our opinions just as you are and can freely voice them just as you. If you don't like it, don't let the ISP hit you in the ass on the way out the web, ummmmmmmkay [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You don't even now when Norlin bought Gibson it was in late 69 and after they drove it into the ground they sold it in late 85. Those Norlin workers started up Heritage in the same building that Norlin was producing Gibson in. So if you want a Norlin era type Guitar go get a Heritage. For somone who spouts facts you sure don't know WTF your talking about.

I was only stating my opinion and obviuosly there are some around here that take issiue with that.
To state that a heritage is more like a Les Paul than what Gibson produces is ludicrous. I have not said mine is better than yours only that I prefer to play the real thing and that a Heritage is not the real thing.

I'm sure that if somone called a copy of a Jackson closer to the real thing you would all be up in arms.


Oh yeah I know who Dave is I just took the closest quote. How you been Dave been a while feel free to kick me in the Ass on the way out [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

BB

[Accept2]

Re: The Les Paul Thread

I've owned Gibsons from the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s. Currently I have a 91 and a 97, becuase I think the Gibsons made in the 90s are the best guitars they have ever made. I also own a Heritage from 1986. The Heritage is alot closer to the Gibsons Ive had from the 50s to the 70s than the actaul modern Gibsons I have now, which is why I personally dont like Heritage that much. They are simply old Gibsons made the old ways on old tools, by old builders with "The Heritage" written on the headstock instead of Gibson........I prefer something modern which is why I dumped all the old crap..........

[Budman68]

Re: The Les Paul Thread

Brad, you're not going to get any ass-kicking from me as we have always gotten along. No disrespect my friend [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img] . And Sam, thanks for the kind words bro, Brads actually a good guy and is obviously very passionate about his Gibsons. Lets all play nice k? [img]graemlins/toast.gif[/img]


Dave->

[LesPaulCustom]

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1978-82. Even though Norlin is falling fast, Gibson remains creative. Seeing a growing demand for vintage guitars, Gibson introduces the first real reissues: the F-SL in 1978, the Les Paul Heritage 80 in 1980, Heritage Korinas in 1982 and the Earl Scruggs Granada-style banjo in 1984. Innovative new designs are also met with the first B.B. King models in 1980, and the first Chet Atkins solid-acoustics in 1982.

1986. Henry Juszkiewicz and David Berryman buy Gibson from Norlin, literally saving the company.

1987. The Flatiron mandolin company of Bozeman, MT, is acquired, and a new plant is built there for acoustics in 1989. With renewed confidence in the Gibson brand, the company begins a growth period where it acquires Steinberger and Tobias basses, Oberheim keyboards, Mapex drums and O.M.I. (the Dobro company).

1993-94. Growing interest in the vintage market prompts a detailed replica of the '59 and '60 flametop Les Paul. And as Gibson celebrates its Centennial, a new model, the Nighthawk, wins an award for Most Innovative Guitar at the January NAMM show. (Usually, this goes to small companies that make really outlandish guitars.) Since then: Gibson diversifies with multiple divisions, each with its own unique identity. Combine this with the other brands that are owned by Gibson, and you wind up with a manufacturer that touches nearly every band on the planet.


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OK....lets end this [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

The only point I was trying to make is that the Heritage is more of a "Les Paul" in the traditional sense than the new ones....I don't like the newer Gibson's...they feel "foreign" to me for lack of a better word. Maybe I am just used to my old one..

I wouldn't buy another Gibson now....I have one, and it can cover anything I would like to do sound wise.

[Bad-Brad]

Re: The Les Paul Thread

LPC,

Have you tried the Gibson Custom Shop Historic's in 03 they made them even closer to the Originals even had Brazillian Boards on the first 600 or so like mine.

It is the closest I have found to the Original.

If you get a chance give them all a try they cover from 1952 to 1960 in the LP line Customs also. If your looking for that Vintage tone and feel. Let me know what you think when you do.

BB

[ February 22, 2004, 02:01 PM: Message edited by: Bad-Brad ]

[zeegler]

Re: The Les Paul Thread

I'm not sure what all the hoopla is about having a REAL Gibson Les Paul. What it should really boil down to (unless you want the guitar for a status symbol, which is assinine) is how the guitar looks, and how it plays. I like the look of a Les Paul, but I really don't give a damn whether it says "Gibson" on the headstock or not. There are plenty of guitars available that play just as nice, sound just as good, and look just as gorgeous as any Les Paul. Some of them are exact copies, and some are updated, modern versions on the theme. I'll tell you one thing, when I can get a guitar that fits the bill, but doesn't cost an arm and a leg, you can bet I'll be bringing that home before a "real" thing. Maybe I just don't have more money than sense. [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img]

[Bad-Brad]

Re: The Les Paul Thread

What ever foats your boat. You could say the same thing about any make of Guitar. It all boils down to ones preference. I happen to like and appreciate the finer things that a well made Gibson LP has to offer. I also have a number of other makes of Guitars in my stable each one has it's own unique offerings. I can say all of them our original manufacture and not copys. Like I said before I like to play the real thing what ever that may be. It really sucks having more money then sence but I wouldn't know since I don't have to worry about either of those issiues.

BB

[Accept2]

Re: The Les Paul Thread

I think if youre gonna buy a Les Paul, it has to be a Gibson or a Heritage. I've had all sorts of copies before, and they never, ever were the same as a real Les Paul. They looked like a Les Paul, but they just didnt have the same tone, or feel. Some copies, I actually prefer the feel over the Gibson, but they are so modernized, the only thing they have in common with a Les Paul is the shape......Other copies are just better left undiscussed........

[toejam]

Re: The Les Paul Thread

Okay, here's my Les Paul shaped guitars. A Jackson JJP and a Carvin SC90. Look at the cool headstocks!! [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]