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**Jerry From Ghana** · 03-30-2004, 10:49 AM

Re: Agile Vs. Gibson Vs. Kramer

Originally posted by lerxstcat:

The Explorer headstock's just a bit goofy

What do you mean? they're as decent looking as any non-lawsuit explorer copy i've seen.

**khabibissell** · 03-30-2004, 11:17 AM

Re: Agile Vs. Gibson Vs. Kramer

$800-$900 for a Gibson Les Paul Standard? Maybe in fantasy land. [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] The cheapest I've seen them for is $1200-$1300... Of course you could get one cheaper, but chances are it's a piece of shit and needs tons of work.

I'll agree that people will sell stuff in times of need, but generally they will sell thestuff that isn't that good. Good guitars are hard to find, so letting go of one isn't easy... I know, I've been there. When you do, you're gonna want the most you can get for it.

It cracks me up that you guys praise the Burny's, saying how great they are, but rip on the Epi Elites... They're made in the same factory! [img]graemlins/eyes.gif[/img]

Then again, the headstock shape is so important to the tone and playability of a guitar. [img]graemlins/eyes.gif[/img]

**Chuckracer** · 03-30-2004, 11:23 AM

Re: Agile Vs. Gibson Vs. Kramer

I've bought three Les Pauls for $800 to $900 each in the least three years. Each one was an early to late ninties Standard, and none of them had any issues whatsoever.

**hippietim** · 03-30-2004, 11:30 AM

Re: Agile Vs. Gibson Vs. Kramer

Originally posted by khabibissell:
$800-$900 for a Gibson Les Paul Standard? Maybe in fantasy land. [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] The cheapest I've seen them for is $1200-$1300... Of course you could get one cheaper, but chances are it's a piece of shit and needs tons of work.

$1100 is about the bottom price you can get a Standard for in good condition. But the day you get it you can probably turn around and sell it for what you paid.

With an Agile, you're going to drop a couple hundred bucks into it for some combination of a case, new electronics, a new nut, a new tailpiece, new knobs, etc. So after tax and/or shipping one of these guitars will run you closer to $450-600. If you decide to sell it, it's worth $150-250. Maybe that's OK.

The Agile I have is fine. It's better than a Crapiphone but it ain't no Gibson - not by a long shot.

**VulfgangPfuck** · 03-30-2004, 11:41 AM

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I've personally gone to Rondouche music and played several of the Agile Ghost models. I posted a reveiw somewhere in another thread, but I think it got overlooked and I can't find it now.

The Agile Ghost is a very fuckin' well-made guitar for the money. It DOES sport cheesy electronics and hardware (which can easily be changed)...the money is in the craftsmanship which is right on par!
The action, and playablity are right on...and If I had a choice to buy a an Epi or and Agile (at the same price)...I'd DEFINITELY go for the Agile. As a matter of fact..I'm still contemplating buying one just to have it. The flametop Ghost (in my opinion) is even better than the import Hamer version!!

**Boxcar Willie 84** · 03-30-2004, 12:02 PM

Re: Agile Vs. Gibson Vs. Kramer

Holy moley, their Explorers have the good control layout! They've gotta be doing something right!

**Jerry From Ghana** · 03-30-2004, 12:18 PM

Re: Agile Vs. Gibson Vs. Kramer

Originally posted by hippietim:

With an Agile, you're going to drop a couple hundred bucks into it for some combination of a case, new electronics, a new nut, a new tailpiece, new knobs, etc. So after tax and/or shipping one of these guitars will run you closer to $450-600. If you decide to sell it, it's worth $150-250. Maybe that's OK.

At $199, I am 100% sure that using pretty pictures I can sell a white set neck explorer with binding, crowns, Duncans Dimarzios or EMGs (+$80), and better looking knobs (+$5) locally to a non-computer-savvy person... for a profit.

With a couple of EMG's in there'll be a swarm of young james hetfields at my door. And according to WarriorX7, it don't just look the part either.

**lerxstcat** · 03-30-2004, 02:35 PM

Re: Agile Vs. Gibson Vs. Kramer

Originally posted by Chuckracer:
I've bought three Les Pauls for $800 to $900 each in the least three years. Each one was an early to late ninties Standard, and none of them had any issues whatsoever.

Exactly!! If you shop around and wait, you can get that deal. If you think otherwise, you just don't know how to shop. Sure, if you have to have it TODAY
you'll pay $1100 and up, but if you watch and wait, for maybe a month or 3, you'll come up on a cheap one. I am the cheap mofo that won't buy unless it's firesale
price. Of course, I paid $450 for MY Gibson Les Paul Standard BRAND NEW, with Protector ABS case, but that was in 1978. Still, they retailed for $900 new even back then.

Another JCFer said the pickups were actually not bad in his Agile LP copy
and was buying the nicer LP right away. If it's not your main guitar I'd say upgrade the bridge PU for $40
used off Ebay and you're done. And yes, in person you can show it to someone who's looking at Epis at the local music store and sell it to them
for a profit, and still a lot less than the Epis go for at the local store that doesn't discount like MF or AMS.

Computer-savviness aside, there's a lot of folks that just won't buy a guitar they can't play first.

[ March 30, 2004, 01:41 PM: Message edited by: lerxstcat ]

**lerxstcat** · 03-30-2004, 02:46 PM

Re: Agile Vs. Gibson Vs. Kramer

Originally posted by Jerry From Ghana:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by lerxstcat:

The Explorer headstock's just a bit goofy

What do you mean? they're as decent looking as any non-lawsuit explorer copy i've seen. <hr /></blockquote>It's not that bad, but it looks like the ones on the MusicYo 1984 reissues, or the ESP Star that Roope Latvala got. I guess
they're really not THAT bad but I noticed it, say compared to the Hamers, didn't look as good.

**Jerry From Ghana** · 03-30-2004, 02:46 PM

Re: Agile Vs. Gibson Vs. Kramer

Originally posted by WarriorX7:
The ones they are selling for $199.00 are floor models or demos that have become "slightly" used.

The brand new out-of-the-box ones are still $279.00

"End of Year Guitar Clearance!

Our end of fiscal year clearance sale is now on! Many items are reduced. We need to clear them out for the end of our fiscal year! Take advantage of this opportunity to get a quality guitar at an incredible price!"

Their entire website has been updated with the 199 prices. It must mean they're lying (or you're wrong) because there's no option of buying a Ghost at $279.

Boys, I decided I want to try out a white Ghost but I'm in Canada and they seem to only ship by UPS which means bullshit brokerage fees & taxes on my end.

Would anyone relatively local to Rondouche (Union, NJ) feel like grabbing one for me already packed by them and shipping it to me by USPS? [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

**lerxstcat** · 03-30-2004, 02:49 PM

Re: Agile Vs. Gibson Vs. Kramer

Warrior and Toejam are both local to there, I think; Toejam doesn't like Rondo Music though.

**VulfgangPfuck** · 03-30-2004, 10:30 PM

Re: Agile Vs. Gibson Vs. Kramer

Originally posted by lerxstcat:
Warrior and Toejam are both local to there, I think; Toejam doesn't like Rondo Music though.

I never cared much for them either. They didn't really carry any major brands long enough to keep me interested. Their main (major) line they carry is Ibanez...the rest are their own imports (SX/Agile/Brice) They carried Jackson for a little while...imports only though. They cater to the learning crowd as opposed to the big spenders.

**VulfgangPfuck** · 03-30-2004, 10:33 PM

Re: Agile Vs. Gibson Vs. Kramer

Originally posted by Jerry From Ghana:
Their entire website has been updated with the 199 prices. It must mean they're lying (or you're wrong) because there's no option of buying a Ghost at $279.

Boys, I decided I want to try out a white Ghost but I'm in Canada and they seem to only ship by UPS which means bullshit brokerage fees & taxes on my end.

Would anyone relatively local to Rondouche (Union, NJ) feel like grabbing one for me already packed by them and shipping it to me by USPS? [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

Gus,
I just checked out their site... and I stand corrected. I was just there last week, and I didn't see anything in the store about a year-end clearence sale. But I saw about 4 black Ghosts marked down to $199.
I think I'm going to do the dirty deed myself and buy one...so I will do you the solid, and pick up a white one for you too! Let's start a PM volley about the details.

**Black Mariah** · 03-30-2004, 10:57 PM

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I think I'm gonna go for one of the white LP's. $200 is too damn cheap. As long as the neck isn't warped and the frets are remotely right, it's worth it. [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

**VulfgangPfuck** · 03-31-2004, 01:45 AM

Re: Agile Vs. Gibson Vs. Kramer

The ones they are selling for $199.00 are floor models or demos that have become "slightly" used.

The brand new out-of-the-box ones are still $279.00

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