Agile Vs. Gibson Vs. Kramer

[deviltronix]

Re: Agile Vs. Gibson Vs. Kramer

Dude, in what way?? Looks? Now I'll be the first to admit most Les Pauls are way overpriced, but a Gibson Les Paul standard sounds so different from an epi, it's laughable. Get a nice little tube combo and set it up for a blues sounds, and the A/B them. The epi is dead and sterile. Sure if you plug them both into a Peavey Triple XXX with the gain cranked, they start to sound similar. I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade, but I learned to play on a Paul. There is no other guitar in existance that so many people want but don't buy and spend time trying to prove what they did buy is the same thing. I would much rather buy an import Jackson that an Epiphone.

Rich

The Epi Elites are easily on par with their Gibson counterparts.

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[Reverend Timmy]

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I got a Dillion 59 copy for Christmas.It plays like a champ.Fit and finish were great.The only thing that really stood out to me that was not up to Les Paul feel and sound were the pickups.The weight was close to the same, and overall the Dillion was close enough to my 63 to warrant its purchase. I put a set of Burstbuckers in it,and it is one of my three main players.The 63 stays under the bed.For my money,the Dillion is the way to go. I will definitely buy another. Rev.Timmy

[khabibissell]

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The standard Epi Pauls are junk... plain and simple. The Elites are in another universe in terms of quality, playability, tone, etc.

[Jerry From Ghana]

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Boyz, the agilez are down to 199 brand new (from 279). This is fucking ludicrous. Somebody please come out and say that these are junk. this is killing me

http://search.ebay.com/search/search...9&BasicSearch=

[ March 29, 2004, 08:35 PM: Message edited by: Jerry From Ghana ]

[Jerry From Ghana]

Re: Agile Vs. Gibson Vs. Kramer

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[RacerX]

Re: Agile Vs. Gibson Vs. Kramer

Kewl!

Your link is a little screwy, but if you click on the bottom one, it'll get there.

[Chuckracer]

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"There is no other guitar in existance that so many people want but don't buy and spend time trying to prove what they did buy is the same thing."

EXACTLY!! Buy the real thing or don't. Thats fine if you don't, but quit pretending that the $199 brand new guitar is the same thing.
Can you imagine the bloodshed if someone came here saying some $199 guitar smoked USA Jacksons?
Get a grip.

[khabibissell]

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I'm no expert, but I'm tellin' ya... The Elites are sweet. If you are dogging them, you never played one (The one's at Guitar Center don't count. We all know that practically every guitar in there plays like crap... Have you ever visited the acoustic room? Those guitars are in such bad shape it's laughable). Mine has perfect fretwork, an arrow straight neck, great fit and finish, and high quality hardware. As for the high gain thing, I do play through a Rectifier, but the dirtiest I'll go is the "vintage" voicing with the gain no higher than maybe 12 o'clock.

Why do so many of you want used guitars? Why buy someone else's problem. Every used guitar that I've purchased had some issue, though it may not have surfaced right away.

$199 guitar? Com'on... You don't get something for nothing! [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[RacerX]

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Originally posted by Chuckracer:
Can you imagine the bloodshed if someone came here saying some $199 guitar smoked USA Jacksons?
Get a grip.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well, this isn't exactly the sitch *you* describe, but, just this evening I was talking to a dude whose >$199 import Jackson (used) plays just as nice as his USA Jackson.

[lerxstcat]

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Originally posted by khabibissell:
I paid $700 for my Elite Standard w/hardshell . The cheapest Gibson Les Paul Standard I could find was $1500. The Epi Elites are easily on par with their Gibson counterparts. The Epi is a bad choice if you plan on selling it later on because of poor resale, but I looked for a good 'Paul for quite a while before settling on it, but I don't regret my decision one bit.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yeah, but you can get a used Gibson LP Standard for $800 to $900 if you shop for awhile, and you will be able to sell it for as much or more than you paid down the road. That's even assuming the Elite is really on par with a GOOD Gibson, not one of the dogsthat their spotty QC puts out there.

[lerxstcat]

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Originally posted by khabibissell:

Why do so many of you want used guitars?
Why buy someone else's problem. Every used guitar that I've purchased had some issue, though it may not have surfaced right away.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That may be your experience, but that's a gross misstatement of the general truth.

The vast majority of people sell their gear either because they need money for bills, to turn and make some money, or to get another piece of gear that they want more now. As for "Issues surfacing later", well guitars need maintenance from time to time. If you buy a used guitar and it needs work 2 years later,
it's silly to call that a "used" issue. If your new guitar did that, well most warranties are one year. "Limited" lifetime warranties are just that - limited. They'll involve either sending the guitar back to the factory, or to a local waranty rep. In both cases, new production for customers who're paying NOW will supersede getting to your warranty repair, so you'll probably wait twice as long, or more, as someone who's paying. Now if the paying wait-list is a month long, then you wait 2 months as a warranty customer.

I'd rather have a 20-year old real Gibson LP that may need a fretjob in a few years than a new Epiphone Elite. The woods available 20 years ago were better than what's available today. because the better stuff has been mostly cut down, or reserved for more high-end models.

Again, the Gibson Standards typically go for over $1,000 on the Bay, but you CAN get them for as litle as $800 if you watch auctions for several weeks. It's your choice, but I bet you couldn't get $400 for that guitar you just paid $700 for. You could buy the Gibson for $800 and likely sell it for $1000 if you were able to hang on through a couple of relists, even if times were slow on Ebay.

[hippietim]

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Originally posted by Jerry From Ghana:
Somebody please come out and say that these are junk. this is killing me

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">They are junk. Happy? [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

P.S. I don't think they are junk. I just wanted the killing to stop.

[Jerry From Ghana]

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Originally posted by hippietim:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Jerry From Ghana:
Somebody please come out and say that these are junk. this is killing me

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">They are junk. Happy? [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

P.S. I don't think they are junk. I just wanted the killing to stop. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">heh.. no bullshit, last night I dreamt that I ordered one of these and when I got it and opened it it turned out to be an old beat up, refinished explorer. For some reason the seller was at my door too, she was a chick and I started yelling at her. I made her cry and she gave my money back.

Can someone in the field interpret that?

[Robotechnology]

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A Guild Bluesbird AAA is really a KILLER guitar. I prefer it over a Les Paul. Every bit as thick and meaty of an LP tone but, with a little more definition of the highs (due to tone chambers). Also helps that they are at least 1 & 1/2 lbs lighter than an LP. Used they are around $900. New $1,700. I LOVE MINE!

[lerxstcat]

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I was seriously thinking of one of those white LP copies for $199, but then the V's, Explorers and SGs are all $199 too.
Then, if you get an Explorer, white or flametop? Luckily, I think they are working against each other to keep me from buying any, since I can't afford it anyway and have a real Les Paul already.

The Explorer headstock's just a bit goofy
and the V's are agathis which someone said was in the pine family. Then again the hiippotamus is in the horse family, yet a hippo is not a horse! What to think?!?!?