Pat Lachman now with ESP Guitars?

[pro-fusion]

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It is not if ESP makes instruments with no quality... ESP has fine quality the knock on ESP is they have nothing original and that is true no doubt...

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Well, the other knock on ESPs is that they are overpriced compared to their competition (Jackson). But obviously Pat doesn't have to worry about that, does he? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

As far as quality goes, I'd definitely say that Japanese ESPs are quality instruments. I've played some that were dogs and used to look down on them, but I just got an '80s Mirage Custom that is a great guitar. I bought it on eBay because I got a great deal, but now that I have had it in my hands, I'm perfectly willing to say that it is comparable in quality to a USA Soloist. Of course, it should be, since it is a *dead ringer* for a Soloist! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] ESP does copy, but they are capable of doing it very well.

Where ESP really falls down is in the terrible quality of the Korean LTD guitars. For whatever reason, they don't seem as good as some of the other brands, especially Schecter, that are produced by the Samick plant. My H-307 had very little playwear when I bought it, but the fretwork was so bad that it was unplayable with low action--I had to spend nearly $200 on fret dressing just to get it where it should have been from day one.

[Steve]

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what fender needs is a additude adjustment , they treat people like shit and thats why they leave or get the boot , of all the people or companys I've ever dealt with or any of my friends have dealt with fender is the worst ! thats why I am selling all my jacksons [all imports] cause of all the crap we had to put up with just to talk to someone at Jackson/fender and the additude they had , fuck them ! I am not supporting someone who doesn't support us !!! [brian mc donald was a real real nice guy though [img]/images/graemlins/toast.gif[/img] ] but the rest were complete fucking assholes , talk to any former jackson endorser and they'll tell you the same story ! so maybe we'll end up with esp with this next release we are working on ? either way my guitars won't cost me over 1000 bucks canadian anymore thats for sure lol ! but look on the bright side of things Jackson has Jenna Jamison and the amazing [disappering]ben moody with em still holding up thier banner high lol what a joke ! //Steve

[markD]

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i wonder if ben moody would still be an endorser since he quit his band...if so, damn, i need to get in on that action!!

[VulfgangPfuck]

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ok dudes...point taken.

Kinda alarms me that this is also turned into the "Reasons why I fucking hate Jackson" thread too.

Oh..and thanks Rich! [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[Firebird V]

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i never understood the whole brand loyalty thing anyway. I have lots of guitars... ESP, Jackson, Gibson, Fender, Bc Rich, Charvels.... etc. I like a guitar for the way it sounds and looks. Not for who makes it.

[VulfgangPfuck]

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Chris...
It's not about who's playing what....it's about keeping a particular brand in the spotlight. High profile....why does no one get this concept?!
I think Jackson is going to suffer over the coming years with endorsers jumping ship....especially to ESPee.
Like I said...point taken, and who gives a flyin fuck who plays what? I'm more concerned with the name suffering.

It's gonna be like "Jackson?...who the fuck plays Jackson anymore?....ESPee is the shit now dude!"

[Firebird V]

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it is like that now.... at least with the kids that are growing up today. Ibanez/ESP/Schecter/PRS/Gibson/Fender. Those are the brands that are most recognized by today's youth IMO. Jackson lost the spotlight long ago. That is a- okay with me because the used market is still a good buy.

[Matt Crooks]

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Chris...
It's not about who's playing what....it's about keeping a particular brand in the spotlight. High profile....why does no one get this concept?!
I think Jackson is going to suffer over the coming years with endorsers jumping ship....especially to ESPee.
Like I said...point taken, and who gives a flyin fuck who plays what? I'm more concerned with the name suffering.

It's gonna be like "Jackson?...who the fuck plays Jackson anymore?....ESPee is the shit now dude!"

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Well... I don't think it is Pats' fault that Jackson dropped the ball... again.

[Steve]

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....oh ken by the way that agile ghost dave got from you and I got from him is doing fine ! I love that guitar ! anyway back to topic lol //Steve

[VulfgangPfuck]

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Steve...awesome bro! Glad yer enjoying the non-Jackson Ghost!...LOL!

Matt...good point (again)

Chris...another good point, but still...the Jackson name may die a lonely death in the coming years. I couldn't stand to see that happen.

[lerxstcat]

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I'd hate to see that too, Ken, but if they do it to themselves, what can any of us do about it? They've had plenty of warning from the "Nielsen" group of fans - this board - but the strategy seems to remain not to do many endorsements. Only time will tell who's right.

[BallsOnParade]

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well, Fender seems to be like a Clear Channel Communications type of company: buy the existing market, then change it until it eventually dies out via shooting one's self in the foot too many times...

If Fender is indeed trying to kill off Jackson (seems to be a corporate vendetta there harkening back to the 1980's with all of the Strat-styled renditions and customizing), then what better way to eliminate the competition than to buy them out, and then make decisions to mar their image?

[VulfgangPfuck]

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That sounds like it might be a likely scenario BoP!
Good analogy! But like I said...I'd friggin' hate to see it come to that end man!

[Matt Crooks]

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They are not trying to kill Jackson...

Why on earth would a company intentionally lose money? It's crazy talk.

The owners of Jacskon are doing what they think is best for the bottom line of the company.

Jackson is not a competitor for Fender. The people who buy Jackson guitars want metal guitars, that isn't the market Fender is in. FMIC purchased Jackson to *expand* their market share not to lose it.

...that being said, they may wind up killing, or hurting, the Jackson name, but that would be due to bad decisions not some sort of vendetta.

[markD]

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give them some time. look at what those guys (FMIC) did with Fender and Gretsch. fender was dog crap when the guys that became FMIC bought it from CBS. same with gretsch. i think things will shape up in the long run, but for now they don't even have a current catalog or an updated website. there are probably other things they are concerned about over endorsing players. that will come. once again look at fender and gretsch. i remember when fender only had 1 usa guitar and a bunch of imports and their roster wasn't "official".

i don't think they want to kill jackson or charvel. what good would it be to put money and product into the public's eyes when they are still getting their shit together. has it even been 2 years yet?