Shamray custom (Icefly Cherry Bursteye???)

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Re: Shamray custom (Icefly Cherry Bursteye???)

Jackson make their own versions of others designs, companies like Ran, and Shamray sell exact copies of others guitars. There is a big difference............

[Chrisb]

Re: Shamray custom (Icefly Cherry Bursteye???)

I wonder if Fender looked at a Charvel strat and saw it that way...

So not so big a difference in my opinion. Yes Shamray doesn't have an original product line, they do all customs.
Is this different from GMW? Lee is highly respected but he does what people ask him to do, and I am sure if he didn't have to worry about being sued he would do pretty much whatever people wanted. He has been struggling for awhile to find his own identity away from Fender and Gibson style designs and I don't think its been easy for him. Look at how long it took him to get this new headastock.

Shamray and Ran have the international thing to protect them, but theft is still theft even if you add an extra cut or take a contour in a few inches. Know what I'm saying?

Its a straw man argument in my opinion. Rather than fuss over originality why not actually try them and judge them on the actual guitar itself?

[AK47]

Re: Shamray custom (Icefly Cherry Bursteye???)

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Where does GMW fall in this?

AK47, if you posted here to protect your interest in KL guitars or to meet JCF members for ulterior motives, you are a both a shameless profiteer and a homo, goddammit! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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I keep telling you guys there is nothing wrong with a little back door action especially for fun and profit. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

What headstock pic do you want the wrong one or the right one.

[AK47]

Re: Shamray custom (Icefly Cherry Bursteye???)

My point is and where I am coming from. Designs of guitar bodies are always going to be stolen as well as artist guitars because people admire the artist and want a guitar just like theirs.

This is my point and where I believe the problem is when a regular joe that doesnt make a ton of money and is collecting guitars or just playing as a hobby takes the time to design a guitar inlay and graphic in order to have a unique one off guitar that they spent alot of time and money on. Now to go steal this persons idea and get a cheaper version of his guitar made is just wrong to me ethically and I dont condone it. If you think its cool well thats on you I cant change that.

[Chrisb]

Re: Shamray custom (Icefly Cherry Bursteye???)

Right but my point is shouldn't you be blaming the dude who stole that idea and took it to shamray. Seems to me your anger is misdirected. And personally I would take it as a complement. Do I like that this sort of thing can happen? Not really. But it doesn't affect my judgement of their guitars. Lets equate this to music. I may not like the people in a band personality, but I judge them by the music. Emperor is a good example, pretty sure alot of people that love Emperor doesn't necessarily think they are the nicest guys on earth, yet they are regarded as genius in their genre. I guess I'm just a pragmatist...I give up anyways, this has become circular, neither of us will change our minds unfortunately. I feel for you, but in your situation I just wouldn't react the same way, thats what it comes down to.

[Chameleonfong]

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Where does GMW fall in this?

AK47, if you posted here to protect your interest in KL guitars or to meet JCF members for ulterior motives, you are a both a shameless profiteer and a homo, goddammit! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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BHwhahahahahah!! Your homo jokes never get old. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

Fong

[Accept2]

Re: Shamray custom (Icefly Cherry Bursteye???)

I say its just another Buran. Those Ruskies want you to think they can rock hard, but really they are frigid commies. Go ahead and buy your Shamrays, but the rest of us will know that you got taken by the red menace.............

[Sunbane]

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I say its just another Buran. Those Ruskies want you to think they can rock hard, but really they are frigid commies. Go ahead and buy your Shamrays, but the rest of us will know that you got taken by the red menace.............

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[SeventhSon]

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This is my point and where I believe the problem is when a regular joe that doesnt make a ton of money and is collecting guitars or just playing as a hobby takes the time to design a guitar inlay and graphic in order to have a unique one off guitar that they spent alot of time and money on. Now to go steal this persons idea and get a cheaper version of his guitar made is just wrong to me ethically and I dont condone it. If you think its cool well thats on you I cant change that.

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That's what copyright laws are for. Whoever designed the inlays should've had it copyrighted. Just like EVH did with his stripes. A lot of people post here with the results of their unique graphic jobs, and guess, what? they're fair game. That model 2 with the kick ass EDS (Iris?) job is a perfect example. Unique, original, and, unless it's copyrighted, fair game for copying by anyone.

And no one has answered my previous question. How is GMW (in their past) different from Shamray?

[Sunbane]

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That's what copyright laws are for. Whoever designed the inlays should've had it copyrighted. Just like EVH did with his stripes. A lot of people post here with the results of their unique graphic jobs, and guess, what? they're fair game.

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With all due respect...no they're not - not legally anyways, in any country that heeds international copyright laws. Here's how copyright works:

The very instant you have created something - be it a work of art or a guitar design - you automatically own the exclusive copyrights to what you've created.

The problem is this: How do you prove that you came up with the design first? That's what copyright registration is for. For a fee, you get your copyrights for the design registered - and after that you can drag anyone into court with evidence that own the rights to it. Another way of making proof, is (snail)mailing yourself a copy of the design - then the postage stamp is somewhat of an evidence as to what date you came up with it.

So, while many people get away with stealing designs, that doesn't make it right. No design is "fair game" even when it isn't registered.

[Sunbane]

Re: Shamray custom (Icefly Cherry Bursteye???)

I should clarify:
Legally, they're not fair game. Theft is theft.
But in practice, it is very much so, because of the difficulties in providing solid evidence.

[SeventhSon]

Re: Shamray custom (Icefly Cherry Bursteye???)

Sunbane, good info...thanks for schooling me.

Yes, GMW would be a good example of pushing the envelope on copyright laws, but you don't see people with pitchforks and torches heading down to Glendora, CA. I'm not saying AK47 shouldn't feel ass fucked, both ethically and legally, but I don't see what's so distinctively evil about Shamray vs. dozens of other custom shops in the US that would do the same thing.

Yep, the internet is a double edged sword. Sucks for sure, AK47. I feel for you bro. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

[AK47]

Re: Shamray custom (Icefly Cherry Bursteye???)

It was not my inlay design that was stolen it was my friends' but I was upset that I did get a real KL explorer and now they are making cheap knock offs, but like I said it makes me feel better knowing they cant get the headstock right and the Shamray body shape is based on a Gibson explorer not an ESP explorer like the KLs are and there is a difference.

[GodOfRhythm]

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Who gives a flying fuck, seriously?

I'd be 10x happier in that case. You get the satisfaction of having the real thing, while some other people are playing cheap knock-offs.

[Chrisb]

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cheap knock offs

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Cheap as in price or in quality cause if you mean cheap in quality how do you know if you have never played one? Maybe they aren't trying to get the headstock right? Possibly they made a slight change to differentiate it from the real thing. A long and time honored practice among guitar companies [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]