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  • Re: Musikraft San Dimas replica

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    They are moving forward .. just not fast enough for a select few.

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    I've got to disagree with you here, Kev. It's not a "select few" who are unhappy with how fast the strathead thing has been progressing. This thread itself - and the large volume of repros and parts guitars - demonstrates that there are a lot of people who are not happy with it. I'd even venture a guess that it is the majority of Charvel enthusiasts.

    The limited editions thing is more like a Fender strat marketing strategy. Not saying that it hasn't worked for Charvel enthusiasts, too - it has so far! But it just inevitably leads us to the custom order issue, which is the heart and soul of Charvel fans. And, the longer the "no customs" policy stays in place, the more Charvel enthusiasts they will alienate.

    Again, IMHO, it's past due now. Just do it. ...And when they do, this aftermarket issue will pretty much dry right up.

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    You guys are assuming that you are the majority. While I appreciate the Charvel and Jackson fans on here, you are a small part of the buying public.

    I asked the questions I asked to see what kind of responses I would get. For the most part, the answers have been pretty self-centered "I want something and I can't have it NOW, so to get back at Fender, I'm going to buy it from someone else".

    I have to look at Charvel as a GLOBAL brand that (whether you see it or not) is unknown among 12-25 year olds. Ask a 12 year old who EVH is....I bet more that 50% have no idea. Ask them about Charvel guitars....I bet 80+% have never heard of them. Also, many players 25-50+ who knew Charvel in the past think they are long gone or only make import crap.

    The Charvel brand is being re-born after many years of little to no marketing and the Charvette debacle. It has to gain an identity of it's own before we begin to consider making it a Fender headstock guitar with cool Charvel features.

    If you want to re-logo or put a rip-off Charvel logo on a "replica", I can't stop you. Those that put a Charvel logo on a piece of crap or even a decent guitar, only serve to damage the brand in the long run. Anyone who has experience in marketing a brand, product brand management, or has worked in a business in which brand names are affected will understand this and agree with me.

    Please understand that I'm not slamming anyone on here. You all have been open and honest with your replies to my questions, so I am giving you the same benefit. I want Charvel to become a well known, kick ass guitar brand that has longevity. Adding the Fender headstock to the list of options ASAP just to make some people on the JCF happy will not help me reach my goal.

    Based on the input and comments here, IF we do add the Fender headstock as an option, I will expect to see orders from each of you who have claimed you'd buy it immediately. Just like Santa, I'll be keeping a list!! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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      I already have my first order already spec'd out, ready to go, if and when... [img]/images/graemlins/toast.gif[/img]

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        Ralph E = Good List [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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          edit: like i can add any value to a thread that's already 10+ pages long! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKgPY1adc0A

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          • Re: Musikraft San Dimas replica

            John, that just depends on the price tag of these fictional "optional" strat headstocks. If it's priced along the lines of the strat headstock Charvels currently out there...count me out. I'm not a wealthy collector.
            If they will be priced like the current pointies, put me in, coach!

            Thanks for the very interesting inside scoop!

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              There are only 5 headstocks I will buy, because I can't get past the look of any others, call me vain, but I just can't do it...

              1) Strat
              2) Tele
              3) Gibson LP
              4) Jackson
              5) PRS

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              • Re: Musikraft San Dimas replica

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                John, that just depends on the price tag of these fictional "optional" strat headstocks. If it's priced along the lines of the strat headstock Charvels currently out there...count me out. I'm not a wealthy collector.
                If they will be priced like the current pointies, put me in, coach!



                [/ QUOTE ] That's it in a nutshell Chuck. The 25ths and the EVH series are aimed at dudes with deep pockets. Make them to sell in the $1500 price range(street) and they'll sell. I'll take one too. I am not shelling out 2K+ for a one hum strat.
                Scott
                Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright, that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless and do no wrong.

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                  Heh. Guess I just made the s**t list, then. [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img] Nobody tell John about the guitars I have on order, as I'd like them to still be made well and completed sometime within the next century. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

                  (...just kidding! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] )

                  Seriously... John, if this strathead option were to come to be, I'd be one of the first in line for a couple. In addition to the four other guitars I have on order right now. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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                  • Re: Musikraft San Dimas replica

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                    John, that just depends on the price tag of these fictional "optional" strat headstocks. If it's priced along the lines of the strat headstock Charvels currently out there...count me out. I'm not a wealthy collector.
                    If they will be priced like the current pointies, put me in, coach!



                    [/ QUOTE ] That's it in a nutshell Chuck. The 25ths and the EVH series are aimed at dudes with deep pockets. Make them to sell in the $1500 price range(street) and they'll sell. I'll take one too. I am not shelling out 2K+ for a one hum strat.

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                    So you're saying that a guitar built by Mike Shannon, a 30+ year veteran builder for Jackson/Charvel, completely hand made with hand selected woods from the original Charvel jigs isn't worth $2k+ ??

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                      Shredder....you have 4 guitars on order with us? PM em and let me know what they are.

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                        Not to me it ain't. I'm gonna beat it to death onstage, not polish it and store it in a glass case.

                        THAT'S what Charvels were originally all about...players guitars. Leave the pretty woods and snob appeal to the non-players with deep pockets.

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                          Not at all. I just can't and won't pay it.
                          Scott
                          Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright, that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless and do no wrong.

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                          • Re: Musikraft San Dimas replica

                            I am ready and have 2 or 3 ideas ready to go. I anxiously await the future!
                            www.usacharvels.com - info, pics and Charvel guitar discussion board. All things Charvel
                            My Charvel guitars - always one away from too many!

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                              JCMktgGuy, thank you for your responses and a participation here. It makes it a much more worthwhile exchange rather than us just arguing amongst ourselves [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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                              You guys are assuming that you are the majority. While I appreciate the Charvel and Jackson fans on here, you are a small part of the buying public.


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                              We are a small part of the buying public, but I would guess that we are quite a large portion of the Charvel buyers.

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                              ...the answers have been pretty self-centered "I want something and I can't have it NOW, so to get back at Fender, I'm going to buy it from someone else".


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                              Self centered, yes, but it's just a guitar. It doesn't really matter to me if it's a Fender, Gibson, Charvel, as long as it's the guitar I want. I just happen to want it to look a certain way, and that's like the Charvels I remember as a kid.

                              Also, I don't think it has anything to do with "getting back at Fender". I don't care what Fender does. Right now, they are not selling what I want so I buy elsewhere. As a marketing person I'm sure you understand that.

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                              I have to look at Charvel as a GLOBAL brand that (whether you see it or not) is unknown among 12-25 year olds. Ask a 12 year old who EVH is....I bet more that 50% have no idea. Ask them about Charvel guitars....I bet 80+% have never heard of them. Also, many players 25-50+ who knew Charvel in the past think they are long gone or only make import crap.


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                              You are absolutely correct in that younger players don't know who EVH is and they certainly don't know about Charvel guitars. But on the flip side, we (the people on this board) do, and we are the people buying replicas and building our own guitars.

                              You are also correct about the import years hurting the Charvel name.

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                              The Charvel brand is being re-born after many years of little to no marketing and the Charvette debacle. It has to gain an identity of it's own before we make it a Fender headstock guitar with cool Charvel features.


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                              There were many years where the Charvel brand was non-existent. Of course this was before Fender, but you guys still have to deal with the aftermath. It was during these lean years that the replica market really started taking off. There was a market gap, and the replica makers filled the gap.

                              For Charvel enthusiast, the headstock design is not a Fender headstock, its a "Charvel Strat-Head". Charvel started by hot rodding Fender Strats (again, offering the public what Fender wasn't offering). This hot rodded guitar look is what we are all after, it's what we saw in the early days of MTV and in the pages of guitar magazines. These guitars just happened to have a strat shaped headstock.

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                              If you want to re-logo or put a rip-off Charvel logo on a "replica", I can't stop you. Those that put a Charvel logo on a piece of crap or even a decent guitar, only serve to damage the brand in the long run. Anyone who has experience in marketing a brand, product brand management, or has worked in a business in which brand names are affected will understand this and agree with me.


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                              You are absolutely correct, using a fake decal is wrong. The name and logo belong to Fender/JCMI...but gosh darn it, it just looks so cool [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] . There is no way to justify it and make it right, but people will still do it because it looks cool.

                              To the small group of enthusiasts on this message board, the logo means more than just being a name on a guitar. It's part of an era, it's one of the things we remember about the guitars we all wanted back in 1985.

                              When I was in high school, I wanted a Dodge Super Bee. But you know what I had for a short time, a hot rodded Plymouth Valiant that was painted yellow with a black stripe around the rear end. It wasn't a Super Bee, but it sure looked cool [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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                              • Re: Musikraft San Dimas replica

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                                Shredder....you have 4 guitars on order with us? PM em and let me know what they are.

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                                PM sent. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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