Musikraft San Dimas replica

[Bengal65]

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Not to me it ain't. I'm gonna beat it to death onstage, not polish it and store it in a glass case.

THAT'S what Charvels were originally all about...players guitars. Leave the pretty woods and snob appeal to the non-players with deep pockets.

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Chuckracer-Add the pretty birdseye maple necks just like the old days though! Got to have it, but will still play the heck out of each one [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Chuckracer]

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I WILL admit that you've made me think twice now about putting a Charvel decal on a parts mutt. Much to Sully's relief/amazment!

[jamiecramer]

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Yes they are both from musikraft. When I called Jim at Musikraft and told him my research on paint was going to one, take a long time and two, cost a lot he had the paint shop at Musikraft paint it for me. They charged $175 extra for paint.

[/ QUOTE ] I meant both neck and body, not both guitars...

[atilla]

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Not to me it ain't. I'm gonna beat it to death onstage, not polish it and store it in a glass case.

THAT'S what Charvels were originally all about...players guitars. Leave the pretty woods and snob appeal to the non-players with deep pockets.

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THANK YOU, Chuck!

For the record, I prefer pointies. I just want an affordable Charvel like the old Model series. I don't care what jig it's built on. I want it to play and sound sweet and come at a price I can afford. If it comes from Japan, I'm fine with that.

[Shawn Lutz]

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A dual hum, Floyded plane Jane, under 2k. Bound, flame or quilt top, and figured maple necks, certainly above $2000.

I agree with Chuck on the pricing comparable to current USA pointy Charvel's.

I don't buy other parts to piss off Fender I buy to them please myself and my current tastes or needs. I understand we're a small nitch market so I don't expect Fender to drop everything and say...there's a few old dudes on the JCF and CC who want strathead Charvels, lets put em out [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] But don't expect me to wait around until they do. I'll be there when they do either way but in the mean time I'll continue to assemble some "crappy" or "decent" knockoff guitars that rival Fender/Jackson and others in terms of quality and playability.

[m4dm4x]

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I have to look at Charvel as a GLOBAL brand that (whether you see it or not) is unknown among 12-25 year olds. Ask a 12 year old who EVH is....I bet more that 50% have no idea. Ask them about Charvel guitars....I bet 80+% have never heard of them. Also, many players 25-50+ who knew Charvel in the past think they are long gone or only make import crap.


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John, I for one haven't been a big supporter of the new Chavel's and this statement pretty much sums it up. I like the original Charvels, because they weren't for everyone, each one made was it's own, they were a shredders guitar. You pick your options and graphics and made it your own if you wanted a global guitar then buy a Gibson or a Fender strat or some other mainstream guitar. Unfortunately, I understand you have a job to do and I realize that also. I think we all would be kidding ourselves if we didn't enjoy the fact that each one of our Charvels is not a cookie cutter design. Just think every time we discover a new guitar graphic, pick up config, which we haven't seen yet. As much as I like the strat head idea I'm afraid this type of push for global acceptance will ultimately cheapen the product. IMO.
Again I can appreciate your side of things, and again this is always what scares me about big corporations running things (no more individuality) all dollars and cents. Thanks for your time.

[jcmktgguy]

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M4DM4X.....relax. Charvel is what it is...a niche guitar and every one is unique. But that does not mean it can't be known globally. I think you missed my point on that, or I wasn't as clear on it as I thought.

[paddok]

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Mark me down on the list for having my strat head already planned out [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[Jack Napalm]

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M4DM4X.....relax. Charvel is what it is...a niche guitar and every one is unique. But that does not mean it can't be known globally. I think you missed my point on that, or I wasn't as clear on it as I thought.

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I thought it was clear. I appreciate your post. I'll be looking towards ordering a strathead when they do become available.

[~K~]

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Not to me it ain't. I'm gonna beat it to death onstage, not polish it and store it in a glass case.

THAT'S what Charvels were originally all about...players guitars. Leave the pretty woods and snob appeal to the non-players with deep pockets.

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Charvels 20 yrs ago were for player for deep pockets..they sold at Daddy's for $1200 to $1400

[m4dm4x]

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M4DM4X.....relax. Charvel is what it is...a niche guitar and every one is unique. But that does not mean it can't be known globally. I think you missed my point on that, or I wasn't as clear on it as I thought.

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I guess I did miss the point, and if your trying to market these guitars and giving us your marketing %, then why did you release 3 EVH guitars certainly by that stats you gave it didn't have a chance? Specially if your marketing a $2500 guitar for 12-18 year olds it doesn't add up?

[jcmktgguy]

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The EVH guitars were not for the 12-18 yr old crowd. We all know most 12 yrs olds don't have that kind of $$. But that doesn't mean I should not have the 12 yr old want that guitar and then eventually fill that hole so he can get something like it. Kind of like the same way most of us learned about Charvel and began lusting for them!

[diablomozart]

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hmmm...interesting points brought up by jcmktguy...to be honest...i think you guys are on the right track...the best way to make it a well known brand again is to get in in the hands of guitarists who are hot today...so the consumers see them...but...and i ask this strictly theoretically...why put stratheads in the hands of the guy from slipknot when the consumer can't buy them?...shouldn't he be playing pointies to help raise awareness as well?...not that you should bother listening to me...i own a strathead and i play it live...just like i play my jacksons live as well...but i'm still just a guitarist in a local band...lol...d.m.

[RR05xx]

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They are moving forward .. just not fast enough for a select few.

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I've got to disagree with you here, Kev. It's not a "select few" who are unhappy with how fast the strathead thing has been progressing. This thread itself - and the large volume of repros and parts guitars - demonstrates that there are a lot of people who are not happy with it. I'd even venture a guess that it is the majority of Charvel enthusiasts.

The limited editions thing is more like a Fender strat marketing strategy. Not saying that it hasn't worked for Charvel enthusiasts, too - it has so far! But it just inevitably leads us to the custom order issue, which is the heart and soul of Charvel fans. And, the longer the "no customs" policy stays in place, the more Charvel enthusiasts they will alienate.

Again, IMHO, it's past due now. Just do it. ...And when they do, this aftermarket issue will pretty much dry right up.

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You guys are assuming that you are the majority. While I appreciate the Charvel and Jackson fans on here, you are a small part of the buying public.

I asked the questions I asked to see what kind of responses I would get. For the most part, the answers have been pretty self-centered "I want something and I can't have it NOW, so to get back at Fender, I'm going to buy it from someone else".

I have to look at Charvel as a GLOBAL brand that (whether you see it or not) is unknown among 12-25 year olds. Ask a 12 year old who EVH is....I bet more that 50% have no idea. Ask them about Charvel guitars....I bet 80+% have never heard of them. Also, many players 25-50+ who knew Charvel in the past think they are long gone or only make import crap.

The Charvel brand is being re-born after many years of little to no marketing and the Charvette debacle. It has to gain an identity of it's own before we begin to consider making it a Fender headstock guitar with cool Charvel features.

If you want to re-logo or put a rip-off Charvel logo on a "replica", I can't stop you. Those that put a Charvel logo on a piece of crap or even a decent guitar, only serve to damage the brand in the long run. Anyone who has experience in marketing a brand, product brand management, or has worked in a business in which brand names are affected will understand this and agree with me.

Please understand that I'm not slamming anyone on here. You all have been open and honest with your replies to my questions, so I am giving you the same benefit. I want Charvel to become a well known, kick ass guitar brand that has longevity. Adding the Fender headstock to the list of options ASAP just to make some people on the JCF happy will not help me reach my goal.

Based on the input and comments here, IF we do add the Fender headstock as an option, I will expect to see orders from each of you who have claimed you'd buy it immediately. Just like Santa, I'll be keeping a list!! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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I "call." Mine is already spec'd and ready to order. I even have the old 80s floyd and tuners set aside to send off to you guys for the build. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

[txcharvel]

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How many 12 year olds bought the last VH album or went to see them on the last tour? [img]/images/graemlins/scratchhead.gif[/img]

Fender has been very successful with commemorative strats and special edition strats. I think the EVH series and the limited run Charvels are just an extension of that.

I think most of us understand the marketing strategy, we just don't agree with it. In my own company I've seen topics analyzed to death only to miss out on the real opportunity.