Musikraft San Dimas replica

[AK47]

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JCFr's,

I'm trying to get more involved with this board and meeting the wants/needs of the consumer. It's important for all of you to understand that we can't be everything to everyone, otherwise we'd be out of business.

That being said, I just don't understand why anyone who supposedly is a fan and supporter of the Charvel or Jackson brands would buy knockoff parts and a knockoff Charvel logo. Maybe someone can explain this to me rationally.

Thanks!

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You know I was about to drop close to 6 grand on two custom shop Jackson guitars but I backed out at the last minute because it seams like its become "Jackson will build you a guitar of your dreams but as long as our lawyers approve" The reason I backed out is because I could not get the inlays I wanted. I was almost going to have an outside company do the inlays after the guitar was done but it would have cost a 1000 more so I backed out. I can understand body and headstock shapes but inlays that are used by other companies but you can use the Gibson Iommi crosses?

Anyways to make a long rant short I am waiting to see is the strathead option is becoming available after NAMM because I guarentee two custom order Charvels just from me.

[eddie_van_earache]

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I enjoy building guitars in various stages. I have about 35 guitars - most San Dimas Charvels - The POINTY there is no substitute. Anyway the warmoth I built is the finest playing and sounding guitar out there. I love it as much as my SD charvels. There are onyl 2 good headstock designs the strathead and the jackson head. Only Jackson makes a good jackson head - for some reason the knock offs look horrible to me. I have plans to order at least one more custom shop from Charvel but I can build 3 warmoths for that price. Bottom line is I have too many guitars and need to stop buying more - but since that wont happen I figure I will build some.

You guys are doing great at jackson and the charvel line is awesome - Ihave a new one. Knock offs will be around forever. Sell custom shop charvel stratheads for 1000 bucks all the knock off charvels go away.

[Zerberus]

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I think it also comes down to most of the Charvel fans having grown up watching their idols play stratheads, as well as the strathead necks being different from the pointies in profile.... Now we (almost) all have jobs and can afford them, but they´re not around anymore for us to buy, unless we build them ourselves ... And the Original San Dimas parts have gone up so far in price that the only viable option for most is knockoff parts, either from eBay or from aftermarket suppliers... [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Í also really like the new Charvels, you guys did a wonderful job..... but I´m also still holding out for a production strathead, because the one I have now just kills all my other guitars, including my soloists and customs. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[Chrisb]

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That being said, I just don't understand why anyone who supposedly is a fan and supporter of the Charvel or Jackson brands would buy knockoff parts and a knockoff Charvel logo. Maybe someone can explain this to me rationally.


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John I think its great you are willing to talk about this because this is a discussion alot of Fender people (by that I mean supporters) have had IRT Warmoth and other quality replacement companies.

Their are two upsides as I see it to places like Musikraft and Warmoth, the primary upside to me is the fact that you can put the guitar together yourself which allows for you to put your own personal "mojo" on it so to speak.

The other is that as many have said the Charvel strathead option is something alot of players love, its what they grew up on and yes wether its pointy or strat shaped doesn't affect how the guitar plays but it effects perception from other people (even now the pointy headstock for many still signifies a metal guitar. Its ridiculous but true.). Right now people who want to recapture that look and feel of a classic charvel can only get that feel, not the look. I suspect that you guys will allow that Fender headstock soon, so it might be a moot point anyways.

I also feel like I should point out that I don't think Musikraft or Warmoth intends for their products to be used as knock-off replicas but rather for what they are, kit guitars. And I haven't played a Musikraft but I hear they are even better than Warmoth, which to me are great guitars.

I think the people who want stratheads are the people who WILL pay for a custom shop strathead so I don't think there needs to be an import charvel strathead offered (though I am sure if it was, it would sell very well) but I do think the charvel playability reputation is well known enough that an import pointy like the model series would be a nice thing. Thats just my two cents though.

Alot of people do like kit guitars because lets face it, you can get a guitar that might cost 3 grand from a custom shop, for half that. There is nothing you guys can do about that, but perhaps you can snag a few of those money concious people who want to experience that charvel playability, by offering an import model like the old model series. Just look at the market for the 750xl's and model 6's on ebay, there is a big demand for those guitars because their playability is legendary and those are the perfect option for a gigging player who is tight on funds.
I think that is less important for the players here who already know about C/J and have played them (and are willing to buy the customs and USA models), but it could help you guys grab some of fence sitters who can't afford a Charvel but wish they could.

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Sell custom shop charvel stratheads for 1000 bucks all the knock off charvels go away.


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This would never work I don't think. I mean I am no expert all I know about building is from my friend who mostly builds for himself but that would not be profitable for C/J I don't think. I mean John can probably speak to this but I suspect he will tell you that if they drop the price too much it will only hurt them. However Charvel has made absolutely killer MIJ imports in the past, no reason why that can't be the case again. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that NAMM will reveal some cool new suprises coming from Charvel.

[eddie_van_earache]

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I agree you can't build a custom shop for $1k. Thats the point. The knock offs are here to stay and Jackson has to go after the market that can afford the custom shop guitar.

I also agree the Model series guitars are amazing. The necks are like the SD w/ the exception of the sticky finish on the back. I love my model 4 to death.

[shreddermon]

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John, I agree that the feel of a neck is very important. Perhaps one of the most important factors, in terms of playability. Personally, that's why I love pointyhead Charvels so much - the thin, wide neck profile feel perfect to me, like an old friend.

But, as others note above, asthetics are important, as well. And many - probably most - Charvel fanatics don't want to be limited to ONLY having pointyhead Charvels. The asthetics mean that the strathead Charvels have a whole different vibe to them. Not to mention many folks also want that strathead neck shape. (Whatever "it" was. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] )

I think the bottom line comes down to two factors...

- First, simple supply and demand. As you know, there's a big demand for stratheads. But almost no supply. "Almost" meaning, sure, there have been the EVHs and the limited editions. But, by only appealing to some folks, those are only scratching the surface.

- Second, remember that J/C is a company that was founded on the concept of the custom shop. THAT'S what people really want. No supply for customs = customers go aftermarket to meet their personal wants and needs.

It's certainly not a unique situation. I mean, people still want AC Cobras, right? No supply of the originals, though. So lots and lots of replica cars get sold.

I'd love to have nothing but real Charvel stratheads in my own guitar stable. No replicas at all. There's a way to get us there. Or, at least, most of us. But will it be allowed? IMHO, it's pretty much overdue now.

[BLOOD SPLATTER]

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I know that the Fender headstock is in demand. However, I always bought a guitar based on feel, not the headstock shape. I guess that's where I'm a bit mystified. If the neck feels right, the price is virtually the same, and you want a Charvel, why does the pointy headstock stand in the way?

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<font color="orange"> The strathead feel/profile is way different than the pointy,& to many of us much preferred,hence so many going to extremes to find repro necks with similar feels/profiles,etc.!!Relogoed or not,until FMIC-J/C release a correct profile/reasonably priced strathead many will continue to turn to the alternatives to get what they want!! </font>

[Learn Guitars]

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Personally I think the guitar is cool. But why put the Charvel logo on there even if it is a clone. If someone was to duplicate a paint job of mine then sign my name on it, I would be all over them. Why not just build the guitar the way you want it and leave the logo off. It appears that you may be more concerned with what people think you are playing rather than how you play. A bunch of good points about having Charvel offer the strat head as a standard feature. I think John has been kind in respect to seeing a Charvel logo on a guitar that wasn't built by Charvel.

Mike

[Lucifer]

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Latest edition to the strathead = Phil Collen (280-350-xxx (24 frets))
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[Chuckracer]

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Build it and they will come. We want strathead Charvels. And by that, I mean strathead's with NO other crap on the headstock. No signatures, no EVH logo's...nothing.

I play in a band that does all original music, but it's very close to old Motley, Y&amp;T, that kind of thing. I won't be caught dead onstage with a pointy headed guitar, because the second you do that, you are now pidgeon-holed. This is not a nostalgia act.

We need options. For example: I prefer a strat-style blade switch for my pickup switching. I also like 1 hum, 1 single but would settle for two hum. I cannot buy that combination off the rack at my local dealer, can I?

This is why we build our own. You are seeing what the market wants.

[sully]

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Personally I think the guitar is cool. But why put the Charvel logo on there even if it is a clone. If someone was to duplicate a paint job of mine then sign my name on it, I would be all over them. Why not just build the guitar the way you want it and leave the logo off. It appears that you may be more concerned with what people think you are playing rather than how you play. A bunch of good points about having Charvel offer the strat head as a standard feature. I think John has been kind in respect to seeing a Charvel logo on a guitar that wasn't built by Charvel.

Mike

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+ a bajillion.

[Tekky]

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Personally I think the guitar is cool. But why put the Charvel logo on there even if it is a clone. If someone was to duplicate a paint job of mine then sign my name on it, I would be all over them. Why not just build the guitar the way you want it and leave the logo off. It appears that you may be more concerned with what people think you are playing rather than how you play. A bunch of good points about having Charvel offer the strat head as a standard feature. I think John has been kind in respect to seeing a Charvel logo on a guitar that wasn't built by Charvel.

Mike

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+ a bajillion.

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+ another bajillion

I think the desire for Fender headstocks on real Charvels is a mixture of feel, looks, and heritage. Since Wayne started off hot-rodding Fenders, it seems to be a natural fit.

[Chrisb]

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Personally I think the guitar is cool. But why put the Charvel logo on there even if it is a clone. If someone was to duplicate a paint job of mine then sign my name on it, I would be all over them. Why not just build the guitar the way you want it and leave the logo off. It appears that you may be more concerned with what people think you are playing rather than how you play. A bunch of good points about having Charvel offer the strat head as a standard feature. I think John has been kind in respect to seeing a Charvel logo on a guitar that wasn't built by Charvel.

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While this doesn't apply to all people who logo a headstock, and I certainly would never feel the need, didn't camos say he was trying to duplicate another guitar he had? If so I can understand why he put the logo on, just so it matches the original. Even if not he already has a charvel so he has in the past bought a guitar from you guys. With the HUGE demand for stratheads I can see why alot of people don't want to gig with them, theft and potential for damage would scare me too. Yet you want to show support for the guitar company you love. Thats just my take on why some people logo headstocks though, only camos knows why he did it. I don't want to condemn the guy for it though because there are some at least somewhat understandable reasons for doing it in my opinion.

[Zerberus]

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Latest edition to the strathead = Phil Collen (280-350-xxx (24 frets))
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We´ve been working on a limited edition version since July, read this thread [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] : http://www.jcfonline.com/ubbthreads/show...e=0&amp;fpart=1

[RR05xx]

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Very cool. I have a GMW Warren D. skull/no blood to the same specs (see Avatar).