Musikraft San Dimas replica

[m4dm4x]

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Bottom line is Fender will tell J/C what to do and when to do it! Fender will work harder trying to get their guitars in Wal-mart just like Gibson now has them, then to worry about a few shredders who want a strat head. It's all about making the cheapest guitar and getting the most back in return. Lets keep track how many mom and pop guitars stores go out of business in the upcoming years, hell they already put a hurt'n on Lee over at GMW.

Here's a great example; want a Ratt Bomber model? You can either go with;
A- The new Charvel one with a pointy headstock! (not sure of the price)
B- Get one from performance with a strathead for $3000
C- Used to be able to get one from GMW painted by D.L. with a strathead for roughly $1600
Now owning as many GMW'S as I have and knowing that I'm getting exactly what I want and a great looking and playing guitar I think the choice is pretty simple. Oh and BTW didn't D.L. do painting for Jackson on some models?

[sully]

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I'm not trying to bust your chops here but those changes are pretty subtle - at least to me. I sure can't tell that they're an inch shorter.

My point is you didn't come up with a new design - just different combinations of woods and paint.

Don't get me wrong, I'm ok with that. All of the guitars I put together are either Strats or Teles. And whether the parts are actually made by Fender or not is a different thing.

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nope, not my design whatsoever. if i had a gibson or a jackson firebird here to take comparison pix for ya, i'd be happy to. sadly, i don't. there's many differences between the gibson and jackson version. for example, there's size difference, shape difference (especially from a jackson - the lower horn is shaped differently and a little smaller) difference in body thickness, back countours, neck heel contours, cutaway contours on the back. the control cavities are also different, as is the jack style and location.

[Tekky]

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Bottom line is Fender will tell J/C what to do and when to do it! Fender will work harder trying to get their guitars in Wal-mart just like Gibson now has them, then to worry about a few shredders who want a strat head. It's all about making the cheapest guitar and getting the most back in return. Lets keep track how many mom and pop guitars stores go out of business in the upcoming years, hell they already put a hurt'n on Lee over at GMW.

Here's a great example; want a Ratt Bomber model? You can either go with;
A- The new Charvel one with a pointy headstock! (not sure of the price)
B- Get one from performance with a strathead for $3000
C- Used to be able to get one from GMW painted by D.L. with a strathead for roughly $1600
Now owning as many GMW'S as I have and knowing that I'm getting exactly what I want and a great looking and playing guitar I think the choice is pretty simple. Oh and BTW didn't D.L. do painting for Jackson on some models?

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Sure, Fender will tell Charvel what to do, IE: "This is the price of using our brand identity." Then Jackson/Charvel will weigh the options of whether it would be cost effective to pay that price. Then if they decide it's a good idea, they're going to pass the cost onto the consumer.

As far as getting the most money and keeping the costs down, you must be under some delusion that guitar companies are not-for-profit entities. Why do you think Wayne Charvel got into the business? Grover Jackson? Leo Fender? It was to make money at something they love doing. Why not get paid for your sweat?

As far as higher prices go, that's where the market comes in. If Charvel offers x guitar at x price and the market doesn't buy, then they lower the price. If the market still doesn't buy then they lower the price again. Sooner or later they will figure out the "sweet spot" pricing for their product or just discontinue it.

[~K~]

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Bottom line is Fender will tell J/C what to do and when to do it! Fender will work harder trying to get their guitars in Wal-mart just like Gibson now has them, then to worry about a few shredders who want a strat head. It's all about making the cheapest guitar and getting the most back in return. Lets keep track how many mom and pop guitars stores go out of business in the upcoming years, hell they already put a hurt'n on Lee over at GMW.

Here's a great example; want a Ratt Bomber model? You can either go with;
A- The new Charvel one with a pointy headstock! (not sure of the price)
B- Get one from performance with a strathead for $3000
C- Used to be able to get one from GMW painted by D.L. with a strathead for roughly $1600
Now owning as many GMW'S as I have and knowing that I'm getting exactly what I want and a great looking and playing guitar I think the choice is pretty simple. Oh and BTW didn't D.L. do painting for Jackson on some models?

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Again another misinformed indiviual...

Dan STILL paints for Jackson ..check the jacksonguitars homepage in the custom shop area..

JCMI has been moving forward..look at the addition of stratheads to pc-1s .. smallsteps it will only be a matter of time until they are on charvels imo .. if Fender was the way your stating then they wouldn't have reintroduced charvels, done ltd strathead retros, pc-1s with stratheads etc..they have most certainly made a difference in the product line ...

BTW A RATT bomber graphic on a pointy charvie will be a lot cheaper than $3k I believe ..

[eddie_van_earache]

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I agree with 83 sandimas . Go buy warmoth and make replacement parts to charvel/jackson/ fender specs for the same prices. WINNER... just wood burn in the heal that it was a replacement part or something like that.

[~K~]

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I agree with 83 sandimas . Go buy warmoth and make replacement parts to charvel/jackson/ fender specs for the same prices. WINNER... just wood burn in the heal that it was a replacement part or something like that.

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And to boot ..they are LEGAL!!

[83SanDimas]

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This is actually a few different topics going on at once now....

Fender - Jackson - Charvel Should own this market but they do not understand it. Tekky, if you do not see the building and repros that are everywhere as a result of "Fenders" marketing decicions than you are also missing the point. Thet choose to offer a few guitars out at very high prices instead of hitting the price point correctly. They are very capable of doing this right. I do not want to debate liscensing law and expenses or in any way change the focus of my statement to an overlaping point. These guys can do it and choose not to. They choose not to sell us or allow the sale of Charvel parts. I can not even consider any response defending that stratgey and than asking us why people build repros as logical.

Maybe the market is too small for profit? OK, than leave these guys alone and let them build their guitars.

[KingV1]

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Camosandimas,
That is a very nice guitar and one that I would like to have as well. I think people here a getting a little carried away with the logo issue. It's not like you are selling this guitar with the intention of it being a real Charvel. You had a guitar made to replicate your old guitar and part of the replication is the addition of the logo. It is cheaper to have a replica made through another company than to go directly through the Jackson/Charvel custom shop. I don't see any problem with what you are doing as long as you never try to sell it as the real thing.

[Tekky]

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Well, he may not sell it, but inevitably that guitar will end up in someone else's hands. Now, what's to say that they will know that it isn't a true Charvel? And, what's to say that if they do know it's not, what would they gain by divulging that information?

[Tekky]

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Maybe the market is too small for profit? OK, than leave these guys alone and let them build their guitars.

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Something tells me you may have answered your own question. The only person here who can truly answer why they aren't offering stratheads is JCMktgGuy and I'm sure he's not able to divulge much information at all.

[Chuckracer]

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Where are all these fake Charvels? I see this argument all the time, yet I'm not seeing GMW's or whatever for sale being passed off as Charvels?
There's no support for that argument. That's pure speculation.

[83SanDimas]

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Well, he may not sell it, but inevitably that guitar will end up in someone else's hands. Now, what's to say that they will know that it isn't a true Charvel? And, what's to say that if they do know it's not, what would they gain by divulging that information?

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Very true. GMWs turn over like hot cakes as do reissues. Charvel should be making the parts and selling them. I'll take 5 necks please

[hippietim]

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Where are all these fake Charvels? I see this argument all the time, yet I'm not seeing GMW's or whatever for sale being passed off as Charvels?
There's no support for that argument. That's pure speculation.

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Dude, there's asshats selling fake shit all the time on Ebay. There are threads about it all the time in Efraid.

[83SanDimas]

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Where are all these fake Charvels? I see this argument all the time, yet I'm not seeing GMW's or whatever for sale being passed off as Charvels?
There's no support for that argument. That's pure speculation.

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I have had a VHII offered to me as real when it was a GMW. 1200 was just offered out as real when it was at the least a GMW body. The Crossed swords that Tommy and Tracy owned lee made. It was not even a refin. It does happen.

This problem will not go away but can be minimized by Charvel being the supplier or changing the price point enough do discourage the practice

[sully]

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Where are all these fake Charvels? I see this argument all the time, yet I'm not seeing GMW's or whatever for sale being passed off as Charvels?
There's no support for that argument. That's pure speculation.

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i think tommy and tracy can tell us tales of being sold logoed GMWs as the real deal on a few occasions. it seems like part of the experience when you start collecting charvels.

also, think back to the way the original efraid section was. hell, even now, we see guitars in there that are trying to be pawned off as charvels. hell, you're one of the better detectors! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]