The year is almost over and still no GMW...

[shelby22]

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can't say i care anymore....

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Shawn

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Is GMW a one man operation? I don't see why they can't meet the small demand that's out there. Why not hire some people, expand, run it like a real business??

There is a market for this stuff, if they could get their sh!t together.

[hammer84]

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can't say i care anymore....

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Shawn

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I never did care

[siggy14]

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can't say i care anymore....

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Shawn

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Is GMW a one man operation? I don't see why they can't meet the small demand that's out there. Why not hire some people, expand, run it like a real business??

There is a market for this stuff, if they could get their sh!t together.

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More then likley the demand is not high enough yet and if they do hire more people they will end up like GMP and go out of business.

In this day and age there are just so many cheap but good guitars out there that companies like GMW and GMP just can not compete. The only reason companies like Jackson and Gibson can still survive is on there reputations, not to mention they have also flooded the markert with Cheap but good guitars. Trust me, if Gibson did not have the Epi line the would probaly go out of business.

Overall in this day and age it is great to be a guitar player, we have so many choices for guitars, yeah they may not come set up the greatest, but you pay 500 dollars for a guitar, throw on another $250 for a setup and new pickups and you have a guitar that is just as good as some of the guitars produced many years ago or even some of the high priced guitars that are produced today.

On the down side it realy sucks for the manafactures that are trying to do high quality products but are having trouble finding a market for them.

I can almost guarentee the whole new selling policy from gibson had to do with the fact they were loseing there ass's trying to compete, by making it so only certain dealers can sell there guitars, the prices can not be talked down as much, there is less product of there higher end guitars, and beacuse of that there higher demand on there high end products which causes prices to go up.

Companies like PRS and Mesa Boogie have been doing this for years, limiting who can sell there product and also dictating how much the product can be sold for. This practice goes against everything we were told about free trade, but since there are so many guitar companies out there it is not realy like they are monopolizing the guitar industry so there are no antitrust suits against them.

[Shawn Lutz]

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I disagree, GMW can still compete and they have since day one by providing customers with exactly what they want... cheaper than what Jackson Custom shop can yet equual or better quality. Wait until 06 and see what Charvel will want for a strathead Charvel. If Lee's headstock design is not half-ass bad he'll still have pretty strong sales.

[StukaJU87]

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can't say i care anymore....

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Shawn

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[Rupe]

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I can almost guarentee the whole new selling policy from gibson had to do with the fact they were loseing there ass's trying to compete, by making it so only certain dealers can sell there guitars, the prices can not be talked down as much, there is less product of there higher end guitars, and beacuse of that there higher demand on there high end products which causes prices to go up.


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Almost all guitar and amp manufactures limit who can sell their instruments and protect those territories (unless they feel it will be more profitable to make a switch...I've seen it happen a few times). Gibson has not eliminated dealers, they have restricted their ability to advertise. Only a few large players can now advertise Gibson on their websites or in magazines, etc.
Gibson has also been increasing annual buy ins for their dealers, which I'm sure will eliminate some of the smaller ones, but they have not been cut outright.

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I disagree, GMW can still compete and they have since day one by providing customers with exactly what they want... cheaper than what Jackson Custom shop can yet equual or better quality. Wait until 06 and see what Charvel will want for a strathead Charvel. If Lee's headstock design is not half-ass bad he'll still have pretty strong sales.

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When you put the numbers against the other companies numbers it is not really considered competing, GMW is just a spec of dirt to these big companies eye. GMW is enough to be a slight pain to these companies, but no big threat at all.

Yes companies like GMW do you have a base of customers, however it is a very small percentage musicians, most musicians do not care to order a custom guitar, very small percentage actually order custom guitars.

But you also have to remember who the majority of musicians are, and that is young kids coming up playing to be cool or just to get there anger out or are love sick emo boys. Yes there are alot of older musicians like us, but truth be told as people get older ( I am 35 now) probaly a good 75% of people put down the guitar and never play again. I use to know so many people that played guitar or drums or bass, and i am not talking amatures, i am talking guys that were good as lynch and Eddie etc.. When i see them now i ask if they are still playing and they will be like, damn i havent picked up a guitar in over ten years.

And unless the guitars of the 80's come back into style with the younger generation, the only people that are gonna buy the GMW's are us older people! Kids these days cant afford custom guitars or do not even care to have a custom guitar, i remember when i was younger i couldnt tell the difference between woods, or pickups etc.. I played what my hero's played to be like them.

Right now GMW are pretty much like Ibanez started out, just alot better quality then ibanez ever made, but that would be a guitar company that copies other companies with a few of there own models.

For GMW to break out in there own, they would have to come out with there own designes and cheap priced guitars that the musicians could embrace. They would also need some of todays bands to start playing them

Truth be told in todays guitar playing world, it goes Gibson for rock/punk/emo with a few bands trying other kinds of guitars like fender or guild. In metal it is mostly ESP with some other bands doing the jackson or Gibson guitar vibe.

If you havent been paying attention, guitars like PRS and Fender are not that popular right now, you do not see many bands playing these guitars at all, which i find a crying shame. There are so many good guitars out there but everyone seems to want to see that Big old Gibson across the headstock and want the set neck/neck thru mahogany guitar.

Now i do have to give it to gibson, they make one hell of a guitar, but so does jackson, so does fender and so does alot of other companies.

[neilli]

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I'm keen to see what Lee has in store, as I love my 3 GMWs, and for me they really are an affordable alternative to a full on Jackson / Charvel custom order.

I just hope that they don't just end up specialising in re-topping Les Pauls like those we've seen on eBay.

[jonsgon]

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the headstocks look cool, but since there has been so much anticipation in regards to this i think it may be a little anticlimatic! well at least for some and others can't wait to hate em'........

it's a true 3D headstock, not like anything you have seen before, rest assured....

and they will not just be re-topped guitars but some really cool graphics....

thanks
jon

[XSSIVE]

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i was talking about this with a few friends and a luthier the other day and we realized if gmw was real smart to keep the die hard strat head customers they could also offer their own headstock design that is conveniently large enough that it could be cut into a strat headstock by the buyer after it is delivered. that way they are breaking no laws by copying the strat head since their headstock would be totaly different when leaving the shop. similar to what another well know parts company does. it's all on the owners shoulders and it is perfectly legal to modify your own property any way you want. i would have went that route as an option also. you wouldn't even have to mention it can be done. all it takes is one person with a brain to realize that this new large headstock would be able to be cut down to the perfect strat head.

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[monte]

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GMW builds other guitars besides the new line that we are waiting for. They even have been building for Zakk Wylde lately. The also do contract work for other guitar companies.

I know that the necks are being cut and shapped right now. If it helps any, I know that I should be getting mine in January. With that said, I guess the new line is being introduced prior to that.

I don't know for certain either...but trying to guess backwards from my due date.

[thebisch]

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"Right now GMW are pretty much like Ibanez started out, just alot better quality then ibanez ever made, but that would be a guitar company that copies other companies with a few of there own models."

Ibanez was never anything like GMW. Ibanez was never a custom order shop or hand made, unless you count the misleading "USA Customs" which were built with MIJ parts and only routed to order for pickups. I will also disagree that the GMW stuff is somehow superior to at least older Ibanez stuff. The Ibanez stuff from the late '70s to the late '80s (at least) is as good or better quality than anything GMW makes.

[Shawn Lutz]

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I guess compete isn't the appropriate word. They don't have the sales and distribution network, manufacturing abilities to capture market share, hell they don't advertise or try to compete. They cater to a niche market of individuals. They are not out to conquer the world of the Fender/ESP/Ibanez's selling PoS import guitars to 13yr olds at $129.00 price point [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] GMW isn't going anywhere and will have plenty of business from existing customers and new customers obtained from word of mouth.

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"Right now GMW are pretty much like Ibanez started out, just alot better quality then ibanez ever made, but that would be a guitar company that copies other companies with a few of there own models."

Ibanez was never anything like GMW. Ibanez was never a custom order shop or hand made, unless you count the misleading "USA Customs" which were built with MIJ parts and only routed to order for pickups. I will also disagree that the GMW stuff is somehow superior to at least older Ibanez stuff. The Ibanez stuff from the late '70s to the late '80s (at least) is as good or better quality than anything GMW makes.

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My point was that GMW is like ibanez in the fact that they just copy other brands guitars.

[jgcable]

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"Right now GMW are pretty much like Ibanez started out, just alot better quality then ibanez ever made, but that would be a guitar company that copies other companies with a few of there own models."

Ibanez was never anything like GMW. Ibanez was never a custom order shop or hand made, unless you count the misleading "USA Customs" which were built with MIJ parts and only routed to order for pickups. I will also disagree that the GMW stuff is somehow superior to at least older Ibanez stuff. The Ibanez stuff from the late '70s to the late '80s (at least) is as good or better quality than anything GMW makes.

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+1. I have several Ibanez guitars that are just as good if not better than anything GMW ever made although I do love the GMW Empire.
Heck, a properly set up RG550 is just as good playing and sounding as any of the GMW super strats and that isn't even a high end Ibanez.