PLayed a real LES PAUL for the first time

[Jeff Albertson]

You took the words right out of my mouth!

My LP has the the logo where the dot for the "i" touches the G.....not sure how long they used that one. Also, a good friend came over last week with his 1977 LP Custom that he has owned for 20 years of its life. My god that guitar is sweet to play......like butter and still has the balls to stop a charging rhino!

-B

That's a good point. Maybe best bet would be to sit down with the phone book and call around to see if anyone has any NOS '77 Les Pauls in stock or maybe a '68 or '59? Those days are looooooooooooooooooooong gone, at least with Henry running Gibson.

[hippietim]

Hey Jeff, did your mother have any children that lived?

[satch0922]

Mine is a 1993....bought it new and it is my favorite guitar.

I do think that buying guitars on the Bay is a a risk however that is why there are many good deals. I agree that if your going to shell out big $$$ for any guitar your better off buying one you can inspect and play first.

As for Gibson, I get no sponsorship money from them so to each his own.

[Bengal]

Jeff,
You still have not answered my question. How is you selling all these Les Paul Lemons on ebay any different that what you hate Gibson for doing? I don't see a difference...

[hippietim]

Jeff,
You still have not answered my question. How is you selling all these Les Paul Lemons on ebay any different that what you hate Gibson for doing? I don't see a difference...

He's not answered any of my questions either. He's not actually interested in discussing this. He just wants us all to believe him. And any one that doesn't believe him or asks him questions he just dismisses and says they are morons.

[Jeff Albertson]

Jeff,
You still have not answered my question. How is you selling all these Les Paul Lemons on ebay any different that what you hate Gibson for doing? I don't see a difference...

I hand pick what I buy and price is a big issue. Is a brand new LP Standard with cosmetic paint and binding defects a good deal at $1300? How about a brand new Custom that needs the nut replaced and bridge re-cut at $1600. I grabbed a few Latte Creme Standard for $1300-$1500. One was stained with dye that bled from the shroud and the other was perfect...just not a popular color. A few years ago I picked up some new Class 5's with bad fretwork for $1400-$1600.

Granted that just a few examples, but these were all guitars that were worth full price according to Gibson. Would you plunk down $3800 for a Class 5 and then send it out for a re-fret?

Truth is..most of what they put on the market has flaws and problems. I like LP's and I've been playing Gibson since I was 16, which is why I couldn't be more disgusted by what is happening. The price is ginormous and, in the majority, the craftmanship is horrendous.

[Jeff Albertson]

He's not answered any of my questions either. He's not actually interested in discussing this. He just wants us all to believe him. And any one that doesn't believe him or asks him questions he just dismisses and says they are morons.

Hippieboy, do I have to open up the "paint program" again?

[Mr.Lizardman]

My LP has the the logo where the dot for the "i" touches the G.....not sure how long they used that one. Also, a good friend came over last week with his 1977 LP Custom that he has owned for 20 years of its life. My god that guitar is sweet to play......like butter and still has the balls to stop a charging rhino!

-B[/quote]

Good info here:

http://www.provide.net/~cfh/

[hippietim]

Jeff, where are these bad Gibsons being sold? I don't run across them and I'm at a lot of stores regularly. I'm pretty picky about guitars so the sorts of things you are talking about would catch my attention. Matt's Music carries the Historic/Custom Shop stuff and according to him the stuff has been fantastic.

[Bengal]

Jeff,
But if you didn't fix them before they hit the bay how is that different that what your complaint with Gibson is?

[hippietim]

Hippieboy, do I have to open up the "paint program" again?

Do whatever you want. I'm guessing you could save yourself some effort and just go to the gay porn sites on your Favorites list rather than making your own pictures of men with cocks in their mouth.

[satch0922]

My LP has the the logo where the dot for the "i" touches the G.....not sure how long they used that one. Also, a good friend came over last week with his 1977 LP Custom that he has owned for 20 years of its life. My god that guitar is sweet to play......like butter and still has the balls to stop a charging rhino!

-B

Good info here:

http://www.provide.net/~cfh/[/quote]



Thank you for the link!!!

[charvelguy]

ok,.. I can understand ya being a tad pissed about things Jeff..(bad Les Paul day?) but don't post a pic like that again. The last thing I need to see upon the first 10 minutes of waking up before I've had sufficient coffee to even type a response is that crap.

Tim is quite knowledgable about serveral aspects of gear.. we're not just talking guitar ownage-which he likely has a pretty decent sum tied up in, but computer related peripherals, effects, amps etc.

I may not always agree with his opinion on things.. I do respect his level of knowledge and experience that he brings to the board.
He has valid points on this subject with you when you aren't trading schoolyard shots.

[Jeff Albertson]

Jeff,
But if you didn't fix them before they hit the bay how is that different that what your complaint with Gibson is?

Would you pay $1800 ($1500 + $300) for a brand new Class 5 that needs a re-fret? I represent it accurately and bump up my price by $200 or $300 bucks . "This guitar will need a re-fret and has some gouges in the fret board", how difficult is that? People buy or for what it is or not...simple as that.

On the other hand some are fine..just an unpopular color (latte creme)

Try this: call up a dealer and say "I want to by 60-80 or more Gibson, Charvel, Jackson and Fender Custom Shop guitars per year, what can you do for me?" See what kind of pricing you get.

I get a return policy for what I don't keep or sell. Helps them out by getting rid of the sludge and supports my "habit". There are many Gibson dealers that don't want to re-manufactur guitars that are "good enough"and Gibson will NOT take them back. Look at the label on your '58 RI box. It say "attention dealers: unauthorized returns are subjet to a 15% restocking fee"...right?

I see a ton of guitars brand-new right out of the box and some people want to argue......

[Jeff Albertson]

ok,.. I can understand ya being a tad pissed about things Jeff..(bad Les Paul day?) but don't post a pic like that again. The last thing I need to see upon the first 10 minutes of waking up before I've had sufficient coffee to even type a response is that crap.

Tim is quite knowledgable about serveral aspects of gear.. we're not just talking guitar ownage-which he likely has a pretty decent sum tied up in, but computer related peripherals, effects, amps etc.

I may not always agree with his opinion on things.. I do respect his level of knowledge and experience that he brings to the board.
He has valid points on this subject with you when you aren't trading schoolyard shots.

You mean like this?

http://www.jcfonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66571&highlight=troll

Far as I can tell he don't know Jack and besides...payback is a bich! You got to admit...that picture is hysterical!