What is the spam percentage?

[Jeff Albertson]

I guess this is as good of a category as any for this......

Serious now..this is a serious question. I post here and there when I'm not too busy with other stuff, on a few different forums. I'm starting to notice a trend from different posters.

I buy anything INDIVIDUAL guitar that's good...Charvel, Gibson, Jackson, PRS, Steinberger, Parker, Fender...I once gad a Gretch. The way I see it, go with a guitar that meets your needs and is WELL MADE. Personally, I don't buy crap and I won't defend it. I'm one of the first to raise a glass when the job is done right. I have nothing to loose or gain if somebody voices a negative or positive opinion and nothing actually 'bothers' me.

I can't for the life of me figure out why people defend certain brands to the death on these forums. It's like the brand can't do anything wrong, everything they make is great! No matter how great or fukced up it is....

I'm pretty educated...hold a handful of degrees from real universities. When someone tells me "the room is purple"..and it clearly not purple, I typically consider their perspective.

How many people posting on these forums are dealers and corporate people or have some kind of a vested interest in a company? I never relaly get ruffled at an opinion that adversarial to mine...but it seems like a lot of people actuallly freak out and go a little nuts. I was thinking it's like 25% of posters are spam artists....does that seem high? It's either that or psychotic, but seriously. This is a serious question!

[RacerX]

[Jeff Albertson]

No, no, troll...not me. Seriously

[khabibissell]

Honestly dude, I'm with you. There's been quite a few times where I questioned people's motives for posting glowing opinions of gear they just bought only to put it in the classifieds a few days later.

To be fair though, its nowhere near as bad as it used to be (though I think the JCF is much better than other forums).

[sully]

eh, it's no different than the ford/chevy people. as far as people with agendas, yeah, it happens. most dealers that post here are sponsors, but i wouldn't suggest that they're drinking brand kool aid.

sully

[VitaminG]

Honestly dude, I'm with you. There's been quite a few times where I questioned people's motives for posting glowing opinions of gear they just bought only to put it in the classifieds a few days later.

To be fair though, its nowhere near as bad as it used to be (though I think the JCF is much better than other forums).

It all seems to be regular brand loyalty amongst fans to me.

Although, you do occasionally see hyper-positive gear reviews, as Steve suggested, only to see the gear popping up shortly in the Classifieds. Strangely, though, this very rarely seems to happen with J/C gear.

[mhenson42]

^I see that alot on Harmony Central. People are quick to post how great their new guitar/amp is and then next thing you know they are selling it because "its just not for them".

I'll admit that I'm guilty of doing that too.

[ABSOLUT CHARVEL]

I really do not think the percentage is as high as you suggest on spam artist, at least on this forum. Sully is right with the Ford/Chevy example. Obviously when you go to a forum that is primarily dedicated to one subject, you are going to find more of a positive opinion.

For example, your question “I can't for the life of me figure out why people defend certain brands to the death on these forums”. I see it as no difference than an avid sport fan who loves their team. Look at those wacky Red Sox Fans. Thick or thin, they love their team no matter what place there in. Something just not right with them fans!

Sometimes people will hype up what they have, and it come off as they are pimping a piece of gear. Tube snobs are classic for this. Also, any forum that has a rate (1 out of 5) seems that what ever they have, it gets a 5; i.e. HC. Are they pimping, or just excited for what they have and may not know any better.

Also, statements can be misconstrued. Take a look at your post for example. You could be viewed as arrogant (Personally, I don't buy crap and I won't defend it.), condescending to members who are not degreed (I'm pretty educated...hold a handful of degrees from real universities.), self centered (I have nothing to loose or gain if somebody voices a negative or positive opinion …). And as if we sould feel lucky that you give us the time of day (I post here and there when I'm not too busy with other stuff) as though the rest of us have no life (no offence “No life members”)

You seem to contradict yourself:
(and nothing actually 'bothers' me.) But, apparently it does when you ask (How many people posting on these forums are dealers and corporate people or have some kind of a vested interest in a company?). I assume you do have ethics though which is why that rubs you wrong.

Or this (It's like the brand can't do anything wrong, everything they make is great! No matter how great or fukced up it is....) vs. (, I typically consider their perspective.)

Also a hint of conceit (I buy anything INDIVIDUAL guitar that's good...Charvel, Gibson, Jackson, PRS, Steinberger, Parker, Fender).

What I find alarming is (...I once gad a Gretch)!!! I think there are laws against that?

You are fairly new here and I think you posted a group picture of Gibson’s, so how do we know that you are slowly trying to groom us into buying Gibson’s? Or just being a troll?

My point to all this is sometimes it is easy to miss read ones enthusiasm or intent, just as I butchered your thread to make your question something that it’s not.

I do agree with this though (The way I see it, go with a guitar that meets your needs and is WELL MADE. I'm one of the first to raise a glass when the job is done right.)

[Jeff Albertson]

I really do not think the percentage is as high as you suggest on spam artist, at least on this forum. Sully is right with the Ford/Chevy example. Obviously when you go to a forum that is primarily dedicated to one subject, you are going to find more of a positive opinion.

For example, your question “I can't for the life of me figure out why people defend certain brands to the death on these forums”. I see it as no difference than an avid sport fan who loves their team. Look at those wacky Red Sox Fans. Thick or thin, they love their team no matter what place there in. Something just not right with them fans!

Sometimes people will hype up what they have, and it come off as they are pimping a piece of gear. Tube snobs are classic for this. Also, any forum that has a rate (1 out of 5) seems that what ever they have, it gets a 5; i.e. HC. Are they pimping, or just excited for what they have and may not know any better.

Also, statements can be misconstrued. Take a look at your post for example. You could be viewed as arrogant (Personally, I don't buy crap and I won't defend it.), condescending to members who are not degreed (I'm pretty educated...hold a handful of degrees from real universities.), self centered (I have nothing to loose or gain if somebody voices a negative or positive opinion …). And as if we sould feel lucky that you give us the time of day (I post here and there when I'm not too busy with other stuff) as though the rest of us have no life (no offence “No life members”)

You seem to contradict yourself:
(and nothing actually 'bothers' me.) But, apparently it does when you ask (How many people posting on these forums are dealers and corporate people or have some kind of a vested interest in a company?). I assume you do have ethics though which is why that rubs you wrong.

Or this (It's like the brand can't do anything wrong, everything they make is great! No matter how great or fukced up it is....) vs. (, I typically consider their perspective.)

Also a hint of conceit (I buy anything INDIVIDUAL guitar that's good...Charvel, Gibson, Jackson, PRS, Steinberger, Parker, Fender).

What I find alarming is (...I once gad a Gretch)!!! I think there are laws against that?

You are fairly new here and I think you posted a group picture of Gibson’s, so how do we know that you are slowly trying to groom us into buying Gibson’s? Or just being a troll?

My point to all this is sometimes it is easy to miss read ones enthusiasm or intent, just as I butchered your thread to make your question something that it’s not.

I do agree with this though (The way I see it, go with a guitar that meets your needs and is WELL MADE. I'm one of the first to raise a glass when the job is done right.)

Point well taken.

My point....I play the guitars, I own the guitars and post the info...must be 20 years now and a lot of gear.

Put up a post on a lot of forums, not so much here,.....people hear something they don't like and first response is to throw an absolute hissy fit.

Example: Somebody trashes a Marshall TSL100. He says he's had a few and they all "cut out" when the volume at medium output" (or whatever?). I think "Huh, that guy clearly experiencing some issues with TSL's". Somewhere in the back of my mind I realize that maybe there could be some problems with TSL amps and I might consider the potential. The last response I would ever consider is "You're a M-Fer because you trashed Marshall!!!!! I love Marshall, it's bitchin'...you suck...Zakk plays MArshall..I'll kick you in the nuts you fukcer!!!! Marshall rocks and you suck..I'll kick Zakk's mother in the nuts...f-u, stupid!!!"

I see that all the time..and not just toward me from BFG guy! I can only come up with three hypothesi. One, responder is a psyhcotic nut. Two, responder doesn't realize importance of sample size to population ratio. Three, responder is making his rent by selling Marshalls.

I guess you can substitute "conceit" for "indifference"; my take is that a company is only as good as the gear they put in my hands TODAY, divided by the price. That will never change...but I still can't figure justifying some posts?

[zeegler]

Reading your posts hurts my brain Jeff. I'm guessing your university degrees do not include one for English.

Sorry, I couldn't help it. As to the matter of people defending product brands to the point of stupidity, it just shows a lack of maturity IMO. No matter what brand you're talking about, there are successes and failures, good ones, and bad ones.

[Chasbo]

I see more enthusiam then anytheing else from people on most forums including this one. I accept that when I am on the Fender Forum or Gibson forum or Charvel/Jackson forum that many of the individuals there are going to like those companies and the guitars they make. It's a given that not everyone will agree on everything, so there will heated discussion at times which I think is a good thing as long as things remain civil.

When I like something, I don't mind pointing that fact out. You call me BFG guy for example. Fair enough, I let Gibson use qoutes I made about how much I like the guitar and I really do like the guitar. Do I defend it or Gibson like a raving lunatic? Not from my point of view, but I don't mind giving my opinion on it. I feel just as strongly about my Fender Trower Strat and similarly liked my Charvel 650xl, which I was an idiot for selling. In fact it would be just as fair to say that I like Fender and Charvel/Jackson in general and think they make guitars every bit as good as Gibson and even have a higher standard of quality.

How about the other side of the coin Jeff? Here you throw out a hypothetical...

The last response I would ever consider is "You're a M-Fer because you trashed Marshall!!!!! I love Marshall, it's bitchin'...you suck...Zakk plays MArshall..I'll kick you in the nuts you fukcer!!!! Marshall rocks and you suck..I'll kick Zakk's mother in the nuts...f-u, stupid!!!"



I see that all the time..and not just toward me from BFG guy!

Yet when you go back and read my responses not once do I act like that. In fact, the only time I got angry was after you dumped on me. At which point I called you a noob.

You seem to have a double standard big enough to sail an ocean liner through. You state

I buy anything INDIVIDUAL guitar that's good...Charvel, Gibson, Jackson, PRS, Steinberger, Parker, Fender

and when you like it you state so. Which is totally cool, yet when someone likes something that you don't, you go out of your way to belittle that individual. If they get angry, you point at them and say, "wow, why did they act like that?" To some, that could seem as if you're trolling.

I guess my point is that in some cases you are confusing the enthusiasm of some as...

people that have some kind of a vested interest in a company

and totally ignoring the part you play when they get angry at your responses.

So in the intrest of ending this stupid argument between us, let's just agree that we don't see eye to eye and leave it at that. You go play your 300 guitars, I will play my 5.

chuck

[NextInLine]

Well, it's something good for people to like a brand. Even if the guitar you're holding in your hands is not something good, if you're thinking it's good then that's great. It's all about it isn't it?

So I wouldn't bother why people sound like spammers or workers for the company either. Instead you can play your guitars and raise the glass to the one who make truly great instruments

[hippietim]

well said chasbo. let me see if i can summarize. thus far, jeff albertson has demonstrated that he is a troll. close enough?

[VitaminG]

I just read that other thread. I think in future, before I praise a guitar that has impressed me, I had better ask a few obtuse probing questions first, to get a feel for what others think about it. Just to gauge whether I'm leaving myself open to be mocked and belittled for having a differing opinion to someone who owns more guitars than me. I mean, I wouldn't want to state than a particular guitar is a good one before finding out if someone else has written off that entire brand.

[Jeff Albertson]

I see more enthusiam then anytheing else from people on most forums including this one. I accept that when I am on the Fender Forum or Gibson forum or Charvel/Jackson forum that many of the individuals there are going to like those companies and the guitars they make. It's a given that not everyone will agree on everything, so there will heated discussion at times which I think is a good thing as long as things remain civil.

When I like something, I don't mind pointing that fact out. You call me BFG guy for example. Fair enough, I let Gibson use qoutes I made about how much I like the guitar and I really do like the guitar. Do I defend it or Gibson like a raving lunatic? Not from my point of view, but I don't mind giving my opinion on it. I feel just as strongly about my Fender Trower Strat and similarly liked my Charvel 650xl, which I was an idiot for selling. In fact it would be just as fair to say that I like Fender and Charvel/Jackson in general and think they make guitars every bit as good as Gibson and even have a higher standard of quality.

How about the other side of the coin Jeff? Here you throw out a hypothetical...



Yet when you go back and read my responses not once do I act like that. In fact, the only time I got angry was after you dumped on me. At which point I called you a noob.

You seem to have a double standard big enough to sail an ocean liner through. You state



and when you like it you state so. Which is totally cool, yet when someone likes something that you don't, you go out of your way to belittle that individual. If they get angry, you point at them and say, "wow, why did they act like that?" To some, that could seem as if you're trolling.

I guess my point is that in some cases you are confusing the enthusiasm of some as...



and totally ignoring the part you play when they get angry at your responses.

So in the intrest of ending this stupid argument between us, let's just agree that we don't see eye to eye and leave it at that. You go play your 300 guitars, I will play my 5.

chuck

That's pretty trollish if you ask me..and you did. I just said "BFG guy" and somehow you went and took it all personal. I might have been talking about Marco?

My comments aren't "bought and paid for" by Gypsy, Jason or John K. Not only have you been marketed to, but they tricked you into marketing for them. I been back and forth with Gypsy for years now. Look up the word Tool in the dictionary and don't go getting all mad at me. While you at it look up "pimped".

Back in the day, a true player yanked the freakin brand name off EVERYTHING and played. Those of us that were "around" in the 80's can attest. Now it's just the other way around. Bunch of dorks running around in brand logo shirts and Converse All-stars.

My opinion? Have some respect for yourself, but don't go preaching that your not the Spam-king.

If you want to promote a guitar or a brand...great, more power to you! But, geez, guy don't get all mad when people don't take you serious.