This guitar is nicer than anything Jackson has ever built

[guitarsjb]

Ok, back on topic, I would also like to know about the contour.

[Bengal]

So you don't know if it's better than any Jackson ever made, right? That's was your assumption, at least if you read this thread. You act like you KNOW it's better yet you have not played it.

You don't know shit about these other than a guy named Pin plays one and "this one time at band camp" I played one through a 5150 and it sounded pissed off. So it's better than ANY Jackson made but it plays like a Parker? I really think you don't know what you are saying right now.

I love the fact that I have your total attention though. A few other people have asked some questions that I fear you are dodging just to try to rip on me. Nice try but we see it.

KOTEX RULES!

[sakeido]

all ripping aside....

i am TRULY curious WHY the builder has a different wood between the top and the main body, in the area where a normal forearm contour would be. i am also curious why it looks as if some ebony (or filler, or what ever it is) seems to be "seeped" into the maple(?) forearm contour filler...and underneath the maple at the back underside of the guitar.

also, i am curious why this giutar looks SO much like an ibanez body....does the builder have any other shapes?

i won't comment on the headstock.

now, i haven't seen it in person - or touched/played it, for that matter - but, i am wondering what makes it so awesome. the bridge is nothing out of the ordinary, the shape is VERY common, AND while some of the materials seem to be very nice - rosewood neck, etc. - the guitar doesn't seem to offer ANYTHING out of the ordinary. i mean, MAYBE it IS like having your hands on the most sensual wood ever (no pecker jokes, please), but VISUALLY, it is very bland. even alembic layers the woods to make the instrument, AT LEAST, look like a cutting board...

while i know your defenses are up, could you please inform of us as to WHAT really makes this giutar so much "better"....and could you address the issue of the mysterious light-colored wood where a forearm contour appears to have been covered?

thank you kindly, sir.

He's made a telecaster and an SG among other things.. but only does Ibanez bodies for now. Longer horn = better balance, less neck dive, a necessity with such a dense neck wood. Bigger lower cutaway with a small, out of the way horn = better fret access. The thin profile of the horns and small thickness of the body = increases the articulation and response of the guitar regardless of what pickups are in it. Also decreases the weight, which for some people (like myself) is important from an ergonomic standpoint. This particular one has a chambered body which could explain the second piece of wood there but I am a little mystified as to why it is there myself.

Nothing out of the ordinary? Christ you are looking at a guitar with a solid ebony top when most guitars don't even come with an ebony fingerboard. the whole thing was designed to sound good first and then, eventually, like the Bentley Speed 8 race car being built for function also gave it a beautiful simple form.

[Bengal]

The contour is a fuck up. We know it already. He's not going to tell us that. But Rick was right in his first assumption that the builder probably didn't know he couldn't bend ebony without it breaking. Why he didn't do it anyway and just try to sync it up is beyond me.

It's totally a fuck up.

And he's ripping off Ibanez. Looks like a redone 7621.

Nothing original at all here.

[Bengal]

So Ebony Top equals tone? Why the hell hasn't any other manufacturer figured that out by now?

I'm sure it's been tried and passed on by greater builders than this guy.

[åron]

I haven't played this one yet, you mean. Cosmetically, it certainly is better than any Jackson I have ever seen, period.

I thought your juxtaposition of a relatively uncommon word, umbrage, with a mispelled word, vaneer, was an interesting lyrical device. So, back to the "you are not as smart as you think" thing again...

Vaneer? You gotta be kidding me... is this you being sarcastic again? VENEER. This thread has been entertaining. Thanks for showing us the Blackwhoseemawhatchee B7. I don't agree, about the cosmetics. If I could afford 1 of the Ebony Neckthrough Jacksons with the flamed maple cap and board or 3 of these B6... I'd take the Jackson.

[sakeido]

The contour is a fuck up. We know it already. He's not going to tell us that. But Rick was right in his first assumption that the builder probably didn't know he couldn't bend ebony without it breaking. Why he didn't do it anyway and just try to sync it up is beyond me.

It's totally a fuck up.

And he's ripping off Ibanez. Looks like a redone 7621.

Nothing original at all here.

He's been doing ebony tops for years, so I am pretty positive he knew he couldn't bend it. The guitar is also thin enough it doesn't need a forearm contour. I'm still waiting to hear why that piece is there.

[Bengal]

That piece is there because he fucked it up.

Or he's just cobbling guitars together with whatever he has lying around the shop.

I didn't notice that you ripped on me for misspelling but you yourself misspelled Veneer. Thanks aron, I had not noticed that.

Who's the dumbass now?

"Dude, these look so fuckin' killer, I bet they play better than any guitar ever made. I mean, there has only been one or two sell in the used market. That shows you something". That shows you that you'll take it in the shorts when you try to sell it.

[sakeido]

So Ebony Top equals tone? Why the hell hasn't any other manufacturer figured that out by now?

I'm sure it's been tried and passed on by greater builders than this guy.

He doesn't recommend it for tone, its for looks only. Once again, a stupid assumption on your part. You have one hell of a parade of dumbassed proclamations going on here, I'm excited to see what is going to come up next.

[sakeido]

That piece is there because he fucked it up.

Oh, that's what is next. You are repeating yourself now, come on, what genius insight do you have for me next? Something new, please.

[NextInLine]

And he's ripping off Ibanez. Looks like a redone 7621.

Nothing original at all here.

right on, this one has been on sale for a week or so over at sevenstring.org

Limited edition 7621 with a mahogany body

[Bengal]

One more thing, if this guy was that good why doesn't he try to do something original? Why rip off Ibanez?

Oh yeah, cuz the 14 year old boys love Ibanez. That's why.

[sakeido]

The contour is a fuck up. We know it already. He's not going to tell us that. But Rick was right in his first assumption that the builder probably didn't know he couldn't bend ebony without it breaking. Why he didn't do it anyway and just try to sync it up is beyond me.

It's totally a fuck up.

And he's ripping off Ibanez. Looks like a redone 7621.

Nothing original at all here.

Rick WAS right? He's RIGHT? Where is your proof? Were you there when he was building it? You've already made about fifteen stupid fucking posts in this thread but now you don't even hold yourself to the same standard of proof you are forcing on me. So you are a fucking moron hypocrit. Jesus! Salvage some self respect here and just shut the fuck up bengal.

[markD]

He's made a telecaster and an SG among other things.. but only does Ibanez bodies for now. Longer horn = better balance, less neck dive, a necessity with such a dense neck wood. Bigger lower cutaway with a small, out of the way horn = better fret access. The thin profile of the horns and small thickness of the body = increases the articulation and response of the guitar regardless of what pickups are in it. Also decreases the weight, which for some people (like myself) is important from an ergonomic standpoint. This particular one has a chambered body which could explain the second piece of wood there but I am a little mystified as to why it is there myself.

Nothing out of the ordinary? Christ you are looking at a guitar with a solid ebony top when most guitars don't even come with an ebony fingerboard. the whole thing was designed to sound good first and then, eventually, like the Bentley Speed 8 race car being built for function also gave it a beautiful simple form.

thanks for the info regarding shapes. i agree on ergonomically designed guitars, so that is cool.

BUT, if my "exotic" wood memory serves me right (because i COULD be wrong), ebony is a bright, dense wood. there may be a reason many builders don't use it for a top.

and, not to become a dick - i am trying to discuss with an air of civility, that ebony top seems VERY thin. it seems that it would fall into the realm (in guitar-ese, at least) as a veneer. we ALL know that ANY piece of wood glued on top of another is a veneer, but there are LEVELS of "veneer". that appears to be 1/4" to 3/8' at the max. TO ME, it is not a top until it is a piece wood as thick as 1/2".

as far a comparing it to a bentley....what kind of tone is this guitar expected to deliver? what woods did the build use in his "tone formula"? again, i am not attacking you, i am truly curious. there are A LOT of exotic wood guitars and basses in the world. what does this formula offer that nobody else does?

and, finally, if it is semi-hollow (or chamberd), there is still no explanation for the mystery countour filling wood.

since you are SO down with this guitar, could you ask your buddy to call the builder and ask what that is about?

thanks.

[shobet]

right on, this one has been on sale for a week or so over at sevenstring.org

Limited edition 7621 with a mahogany body

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