This guitar is nicer than anything Jackson has ever built

[rjohnstone]

See now that looks like it was done on purpose.
Take a flat top with binding and then run a router around a portion to get a "look". Shitty choice for pickups with that wood tone, but again, to each his own.

[Bengal]

He doesn't recommend it for tone, its for looks only. Once again, a stupid assumption on your part. You have one hell of a parade of dumbassed proclamations going on here, I'm excited to see what is going to come up next.

He doesn't care about tone? Only looks? Why the hell put that ugly veneer on the guitar if it does nothing but ad looks? That's fuckin stupid. Very stupid.

Yep, I'm a dumbass. I correct peoples spelling with misspelled words. Yep. OK.

Your busted. We busted you. You have no leg to stand on. You knew you were going to stur up this shit storm when you titled the thread what you did. If you didn't, you're even dumber than I though.

Away with the troll.

[markD]

oh, okay, some of my post has been addressed while i was typing. cool.

[Bengal]

Rick WAS right? He's RIGHT? Where is your proof? Were you there when he was building it? You've already made about fifteen stupid fucking posts in this thread but now you don't even hold yourself to the same standard of proof you are forcing on me. So you are a fucking moron hypocrit. Jesus! Salvage some self respect here and just shut the fuck up bengal.

Rick said he thought the dude didn't know he couldn't bend ebony. I agree with that statement. Thats why I think he's right. You do know Rick is rjohnstone, right?

I'm forcing you to validate your opinion on this guitar. A guitar you have not played, I might ad. Why is it better than ANY Jackson ever made. You can't do that. You have not done that the whole thread.

Oh sure, you post about body shape and more comfortable and crap like that but nothing about tone. Just because it has a rosewood neck it's an automatic tone maching? Hardly.

So you haven't played it but want to throw generalizations out there. Then act like a pissy bitch when we call you on it. Whatever.

Your guitar is about as ugly as you've acted in this thread.

[sakeido]

thanks for the info regarding shapes. i agree on ergonomically designed guitars, so that is cool.

BUT, if my "exotic" wood memory serves me right (because i COULD be wrong), ebony is a bright, dense wood. there may be a reason many builders don't use it for a top.

and, not to become a dick - i am trying to discuss with an air of civility, that ebony top seems VERY thin. it seems that it would fall into the realm (in guitar-ese, at least) as a veneer. we ALL know that ANY piece of wood glued on top of another is a veneer, but there are LEVELS of "veneer". that appears to be 1/4" to 3/8' at the max. TO ME, it is not a top until it is a piece wood as thick as 1/2".

as far a comparing it to a bentley....what kind of tone is this guitar expected to deliver? what woods did the build use in his "tone formula"? again, i am not attacking you, i am truly curious. there are A LOT of exotic wood guitars and basses in the world. what does this formula offer that nobody else does?

and, finally, if it is semi-hollow (or chamberd), there is still no explanation for the mystery countour filling wood.

since you are SO down with this guitar, could you ask your buddy to call the builder and ask what that is about?

thanks.

Hey I dig the civil thing. Its a nice change of pace... the top is a veneer, I admit. It is not there for tone. It makes a small, small difference in brightness but even at its thickest it is more for cosmetics than anything else. The tone of these guitars comes from the much thinner than normal body and the rosewood neck. Since the ratio of weight in the body to the neck is now biased towards the neck more than usual, even though it is a bolt-on the neck wood now adds a lot more to the tone than it normally does.
So the body is a usually darker than normal wood, which he brightens up by making thinner than usual, and then brightens further by using ebony fingerboards (both of which also add to the articulation of the notes), but then fattens up the tone considerably by making the necks solid rosewood. He fillets them with ebony to stabilize them.
On this one, I am not sure why it is chambered. As far as I know, it is the first one like this he has done. I've already put in questions with the builder both through my friend and personally.
There are certainly a lot of exotic wood builders but I have yet to encounter a guitar quite like this myself. For us, they are very expensive, but in England where they are made, these custom guitars actually cost less than USA Jacksons and the top end Ibanezes.

[Bengal]

I thought I used the term veneer to piss you off and devalue your prized guitar?

Thin body equals better tone? I know some Les Paul lovers that would argue that point til death.

Reading that description above on why it's so good I understand you don't really know what you're talking about.

[sakeido]

Rick said he thought the dude didn't know he couldn't bend ebony. I agree with that statement. Thats why I think he's right. You do know Rick is rjohnstone, right?

I'm forcing you to validate your opinion on this guitar. A guitar you have not played, I might ad. Why is it better than ANY Jackson ever made. You can't do that. You have not done that the whole thread.

Oh sure, you post about body shape and more comfortable and crap like that but nothing about tone. Just because it has a rosewood neck it's an automatic tone maching? Hardly.

So you haven't played it but want to throw generalizations out there. Then act like a pissy bitch when we call you on it. Whatever.

Your guitar is about as ugly as you've acted in this thread.

You are quite the lost cause. I have validated my opinion... several times now... but since you are so entrenched in your "I am so fucking right!" thing, its just not going to be good enough. So honestly, bud, shut the fuck up. You can keep padding your post count if you want some e-respect and to stroke your own ego if you want, but you have shown in your most recent responses a complete disinterest in actually you know, being logical and that, so henceforth I'm not going to answer your idiotic messages.

[sakeido]

I thought I used the term veneer to piss you off and devalue your prized guitar?

Thin body equals better tone? I know some Les Paul lovers that would argue that point til death.

Reading that description above on why it's so good I understand you don't really know what you're talking about.

I understand that you just don't care what I have to say and are just prattling on and on about "LOL GUYZ I AM RIGHT!" apparently believing that, if you assert yourself strongly enough, people will believe you.

[sully]

- i kinda dig the ebony top/veneer.
- i second the "what's with the contour filler" emotion
- i can't imagine that headstock is very stable, unless it's got carbon rods in there or something
- i also don't get why the neck is laminated yet has a scarf joint. maybe it's b/c the stringers wouldn't both appear on the back of the headstock or something.

and really dude, what kind of reaction did you expect to get with that thread title on a jackson board?

sully

[SEEGERMANY]

Don't make me start posting pictures!

[mustaine-who?]

P

Probably plays real nice....

But total mEh on the appearence....

[Bengal]

You are quite the lost cause. I have validated my opinion... several times now... but since you are so entrenched in your "I am so fucking right!" thing, its just not going to be good enough. So honestly, bud, shut the fuck up. You can keep padding your post count if you want some e-respect and to stroke your own ego if you want, but you have shown in your most recent responses a complete disinterest in actually you know, being logical and that, so henceforth I'm not going to answer your idiotic messages.

No you haven't because you can't comment on tone. The most important rule of a guitar. Tone. You can't comment on it because you haven't played it. Sure it may look cool to you or whatever. But when it comes down to it, guitars are rated on tone, not looks. Tone is what's important and tone is the one "review" you can't give us to prove it's better than any Jackson ever built.

They only thing I'm right about is the fact that you haven't played it so you don't know. You like how it looks but you don't know how it sounds. It could sound like complete dogshit for all you know. You have not played it.

[Bengal]

I understand that you just don't care what I have to say and are just prattling on and on about "LOL GUYZ I AM RIGHT!" apparently believing that, if you assert yourself strongly enough, people will believe you.

I thought you weren't responding to me?

I want to hear what you have to say, I just want you to back it up with "facts". But I see you can't. That's cool. Don't get pissed when people call you on it.

LOL? I don't think I have ever used that online since the internets inception. So more proof you don't know shit.

Sucks to be called on your bullshit, doesn't it? But it's nice to know you finally know what a veneer is and how to spell it. I've done my job.

[sakeido]

No you haven't because you can't comment on tone. The most important rule of a guitar. Tone. You can't comment on it because you haven't played it. Sure it may look cool to you or whatever. But when it comes down to it, guitars are rated on tone, not looks. Tone is what's important and tone is the one "review" you can't give us to prove it's better than any Jackson ever built.

They only thing I'm right about is the fact that you haven't played it so you don't know. You like how it looks but you don't know how it sounds. It could sound like complete dogshit for all you know. You have not played it.

So back to the whole "I Have Played One" thing which I will accept as further proof you haven't been reading my posts. So the only logically conclusion is you are actually just posting in this thread to be a dick and prove to everyone how unintelligent you are, which you are certainly doing a bang up good job of.

[SEEGERMANY]

"I can tell it's a piece of shit and I only have one good eye!"