Japan Pro Mods

[john.w.lawson]

It might be true, but that doesn't mean it can't be a little dumb, and beating a dead horse.

No one really expects the Pro Mods to re-live the glory days of San Dimas Strat-heads. You can kinda do that if you want to commission a Custom Shop guitar.

When you drop 3000. on a custom and then it has to have a fret job to be played thats fucked bro! and I am in no way saying that so cals and S.D are shit! they are almost as good as any import, and now they will be as good : )

[john.w.lawson]

Filthy smoker.

I second that!!! wish I could stop: ) but on a side note I do smoke name brand

[Ben...]

You know what's gonna happen? Soon we'll look on eBay and there'll be guys charging extra for American Pro Mods and putting crap like "Before they moved to Japan and sucked". Kinda like the "Pre-Fender" Jackson crap.

[MakeAJazzNoiseHere]

When you drop 3000. on a custom and then it has to have a fret job to be played thats fucked bro!

If you spent $3K on a Custom Shop guitar and you're too cheap to spend $60 for a good setup, I don't know what to tell you, buddy. :dunno:

[john.w.lawson]

Well, I know what to tell you "Fender" CQ sucks and you know it.......; )

oh I should point out thats for jackson customs! I don't think its as bad for the fender custom? wonder whos running the fender custom shop

[Grandturk]

Well, I know what to tell you "Fender" CQ sucks and you know it.......; )

Who's Quality Control sucks?

[john.w.lawson]

However sends custom shop U.S.A guitars out that need a level and crown job and set-up? You have had to have read the MANY threads (waited a year and its fret are not even) ( have set the action up 1/2 inch?) or was that some where else that I read that? But really I don't have a dog in this race so, if giving the choice I would buy a new jackson before buying anything else new!

[toejam]

Who's Quality Control sucks?

I don't know, who is quality control? He'd be the one to tell you whose quality control sucks.

[john.w.lawson]

good one : ) people are getting a little hot under the collar : ) can't say I was not liking it! But I stand by what I say, some one offered me a 2006 U.S.A jackson and cash for my 86" And I turned them down! It was a nice one too! I still think jackson would be better if fender did not own them!

[toejam]

Jackson was hit or miss when owned by AKAI (AMIC). Seems better now under Fender, for the most part.

[MakeAJazzNoiseHere]

I bet that Charvel made some outrageously unplayable pieces of shit in the 80's too. Probably more then than they do now.

[john.w.lawson]

Jackson was hit or miss when owned by AKAI (AMIC). Seems better now under Fender, for the most part.

I was speaking more if they stayed on their own : )

I bet that Charvel made some outrageously unplayable pieces of shit in the 80's too. Probably more then than they do now.

whatever helps you sleep better : )

[MakeAJazzNoiseHere]

I was speaking more if they stayed on their own : )

I bet that Charvel made some outrageously unplayable pieces of shit in the 80's too. Probably more then than they do now.

whatever helps you sleep better : )

See, I really don't care so long as the ones I buy play well, and so far with a few exceptions, they do... But I don't go trolling around about it in every thread that mentions the name "Charvel" or "Jackson", pinin' for the lost days of yore, either.

[dg]

I bet that Charvel made some outrageously unplayable pieces of shit in the 80's too. Probably more then than they do now.

This subject has come up a few times here & on other boards. There absolutely were some dogs back in the day, but here is where I feel there may be a difference now -

When Grover was there, he had the pride of ownership in the company and his name on the headstock (the Jacksons anyway). For example, if they got the neck angle wrong on a Soloist back then, they didn't plane the fretboard down until it looked like a wedge and still try to pass it off to the customer. They took a bandsaw to it. Guitars that had the jacks installed so wrong so that you couldn't even plug into them didn't get initialed by the electronics inspection on the hang tag (that one always makes me roflmao), because Grover was there and he wanted the guitars to actually be inspected.

Today, instead of Grover, there is a large parent corporation that wants target numbers to be met and is willing to risk having a certain percentage of unhappy customers. I have nothing but sympathy for the guys who have always worked in the CS and gotten it right 90% or more of the time, because I don't think they get to make the call to take the bandsaw to that occasional screwed up Soloist, and I defintely don't think the final safety-net QC check is nearly as robust as it was back in the day.

Having said all of that, I'm a fan of the brand, and when they get it right, the product is still fucking awesome, imo. I have been very happy with my recent USA Charvels, but I don't pretend that everything is just like back in the day, because I've seen way too much evidence to the contrary, and it kinda makes me sad.

[MakeAJazzNoiseHere]

I agree about Grover... But the way Grover ran the business (as a perfectionist) was also why the company didn't really make a lot of money as I recall from reading more than one retrospective history of the company. They might not have made a lot of dough, but they did make a lot of really great guitars back then, just like they do now.

I just don't see the point in the "don't make 'em like they used to" because like you said, when they get it right, it's great, and they get it right most of the time... And no matter how many times you say it, or how right it is... There is absolutely NO POINT in dwelling in the past, life moves forward, you move forward with it, or stay mired in a pool of your own shit.

None of this has anything at all to do with JAPANESE PRO MODS anyway.