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  • Diffences about model 6's?

    hi all
    I was just wondering. why is it that i see some model 6's with the backplate(the plate with the springs in it) and then some without a backplate at all?? and how do the ones without a backplate work?
    i wouldv shown pictures of the 2 but i cant get pictures on here.

    ragards, shaun

  • #2
    Re: Diffences about model 6\'s?

    in '86 Model 6s had a Kahler flatmount trem, a self-contained unit that doesn't require external springs and therefore has no need for the rout to pass all the way through the body.

    in '87-88, the trem was changed to the Jackson JT-6, a licensed Floyd copy, and the bodies were then routed thru so the springs could be mounted in the cavity at the back.
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    • #3
      Re: Diffences about model 6\'s?

      Hey there. The ones with the backplates have the floyd rose type tremolos that use more of a "lever" style operation and the ones without, use the Kahler tremolos that are a stand alone unit and use more of a "cam" type operation therefore only needing a routed area directly under the tremolo. Hope that helps!

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      • #4
        Re: Diffences about model 6\'s?

        Dammit G, ya beat me [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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        • #5
          Re: Diffences about model 6\'s?

          thanks guys for your quick replies,
          Just one more thing what do you think would be better, the kahler system or the flyode rose system? (also considering if i had a jt-1 floyde rose i may replace it with a proper foyde rose)

          regards, Shaun

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          • #6
            Re: Diffences about model 6\'s?

            the kahler is qualitywise the best of the two, but a JT6 can be ripped out very easily and be replaced by a Schaller floyd or OFR.

            Harrald

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            • #7
              Re: Diffences about model 6\'s?

              Well..SOME think the Kahler is the best.

              Others, like myself think it's a big honkin POS. [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img]

              Mind you, it's just an opinion and in no way should anything I say be misconstrued with fact.

              That said, before you jump and replace the JT6, try to live with it for awhile.

              While it is made of a softer metal, it does have a better fine tuner design.

              It won't stand up to the abuse like a Floyd, and the screws will strip easy if you over tighten.

              BUT... take care, don't over tighten things, and it works great.

              I love mine, never gives me any trouble, works as well as my Floyds.

              I wish Jackson would come out with a version using better metal. The fine tuner design was a stroke of genius.

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              • #8
                Re: Diffences about model 6\'s?

                Originally posted by 2Loud2Old:
                I wish Jackson would come out with a version using better metal. The fine tuner design was a stroke of genius.
                <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You can say that again!

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                • #9
                  Re: Diffences about model 6\'s?

                  i said qualitywise, and I ment the quality of the parts, the JT6 sucks donkeyballs qualitywise, soft metal etc. i think most of us agree on that part.

                  I admit I am biassed towards the JT 6, because the one on my guitar was utter crap when I got it, and I mean really destroyed. So, it might have been a nice thing, but not mine and to be honest: I think it looks like shit, cheap die cast floyd copy on a $1000,- (when new back in the 80's) guitar? no thanks. The design was actually smart, I admit on that part, no problems with going out of tune, because you touch the screws: pretty smart. But the quality is at best poor.

                  Harrald

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                  • #10
                    Re: Diffences about model 6\'s?

                    Well.. sure... if you put it THAT way. [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

                    Point taken. [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

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                    • #11
                      Re: Diffences about model 6\'s?

                      [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img]

                      Harrald

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                      • #12
                        Re: Diffences about model 6\'s?

                        I beg to differ on the JT-6 I have an 87 san dimas plated USA jackson strat with a JT-6 still works great.As a matter of fact all my JT-6 equipped charvels work flawlessly I can honestly say I see no reason to put an OFR in their place.Now if they launch tomorrow an OFR would go in its place.I use the trems a lot and they work just fine.
                        Really? well screw Mark Twain.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Diffences about model 6\'s?

                          I agree with Richard. When you guys say "the JT6 won't hold up to the "abuse" exactly what do you do with your guitars? I'll admit if you throw your guitar face first onto concrete the floyd may hold up better but how are you going to tear one up by playing the guitar??? And yes, the floyd knife edges will dull just as fast as the JT6 inserts. Who really gives a fuck if the floyd is made out of high carbon tempered steel....it's a guitar part for gods sake! It's not like we're talking about a crankshaft in a 10,000 rpm engine! Besides that, the JT6 is a much better design because of two things: the string blocks, and the fine tuners. JT6s rule!
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                          • #14
                            Re: Diffences about model 6\'s?

                            Agreed. I bought my Model 3 in '91 and have never had a problem with the JT6 on it.

                            That said, I doubt I've chnaged the strings on it more than ten times [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]
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                            • #15
                              Re: Diffences about model 6\'s?

                              My 6 has the JT-6 on it... I have changed out the inner screws and it is like a brand new rig again. It's still cheaper material but I really couldn't ask a set up like this to stay in more perfect tune. Of course, there is always the OFR option when worse comes to worse.

                              Brad

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