DK2M vs BC Rich gunslinger retro

[Lemures]

Thanks USA Dk1, that was exactly the kind of imput I was looking for. I'm going for the gunslinger, i'll post again and let you guys know how it turned out.

[bcrich1975]

I hate when people quote retarded professionals on their daily rants. Thing is the Jt580 is a great trem when compared to a lot of other junk imports usually get. If it goes out of tune, then there is a good chance you're luthier can't set-up a floyd for shit.


Well, the retarded professional also happens to be the bass player in my band and one of my closest friends. And I agree with him entirely. The JT580 is made of low cost/low quality metal and does not compare with the OFR's for sustain, hardware, and longevity. Fact. And it has nothing to do with setups. I've been using original Floyd's since 1985...another trem which is really great is the original Ibanez Edge. I've had the JT580 on some import Jacksons. Is it terrible-of course not. Does it work-yes. Will it hold tune if set up properly-sure. Is there better options available for those who care-yes. And also to defend my position on which (approx.) 600 dollar guitar to spend money on, the BC has an overall higher quality to it..not solely based on the tremolo alone.

[Fender]

I hate when people quote retarded professionals on their daily rants. Thing is the Jt580 is a great trem when compared to a lot of other junk imports usually get. If it goes out of tune, then there is a good chance you're luthier can't set-up a floyd for shit.


Well, the retarded professional also happens to be the bass player in my band and one of my closest friends. And I agree with him entirely. The JT580 is made of low cost/low quality metal and does not compare with the OFR's for sustain, hardware, and longevity. Fact. And it has nothing to do with setups. I've been using original Floyd's since 1985...another trem which is really great is the original Ibanez Edge. I've had the JT580 on some import Jacksons. Is it terrible-of course not. Does it work-yes. Will it hold tune if set up properly-sure. Is there better options available for those who care-yes. And also to defend my position on which (approx.) 600 dollar guitar to spend money on, the BC has an overall higher quality to it..not solely based on the tremolo alone.

Didn't mean to rag on your buddy, but that trem costs probably around 10-15 dollars to produce per unit. The OFR, is probably maybe 35-50$ a unit, but they overprice them too. So if you wanted the import DK2Ms to come with an original, you'd be paying about 150$ just for that. The guitar is great because of the quality it achieves for the price it warrants. The chinese floyds are about the same in my opinion. Obviously the Floyd embossed lettering is more appealing to look at, but fact is they are both pretty much on par. I wasn't saying that the BC is worst, in fact I'd be tempted to buy one, but it isn't superior. I think they are two brands of the same flavor if you ask me.

[bcrich1975]

Oh its alright..no offense taken. It's deceiving with these guitars having "Floyd Rose originals" on them now too. Apparantly there's 1000 series, 2000 series, etc...and then there's the orig. German made ones..and ones made by Schaller. Anyway the orig. (real deal) Floyd's that I've known my whole life only come on the high end guitars (ex. my old 89 Kramer Sustainer..or a new Jackson USA Select Series). The use of the real top quality units would jack the price up on these guitars which are intended as intermediately priced instruments which are more affordable/attainable to folks on a budget but still have quality components. I have to give credit to BC Rich and Charvel (USA production series) for making the effort to give guitars in their lineup some really good hardware, even if the Floyd's being used are of the "series" variety. Jackson is making a bit more profit on each guitar, saving 15 or 20 dollars on each unit during production. And like I mentioned earlier, BC Rich cut some costs this year by not using the DiMarzio pickup(s)-there would be no other reason. It's all about the bottom line($$$). I still have to say, 90% of the new import Jackson's that have been in my pals store have needed major setup help. At least he's decent enough to want to sell a good playing instrument as opposed to certain places like (begins w/ the letter G) that take them out of the box straight to the sales floor. By the way, he picked up the BC Rich line this year. Yeah!! Discount for me.lol

[Fender]

Oh its alright..no offense taken. It's deceiving with these guitars having "Floyd Rose originals" on them now too. Apparantly there's 1000 series, 2000 series, etc...and then there's the orig. German made ones..and ones made by Schaller. Anyway the orig. (real deal) Floyd's that I've known my whole life only come on the high end guitars (ex. my old 89 Kramer Sustainer..or a new Jackson USA Select Series). The use of the real top quality units would jack the price up on these guitars which are intended as intermediately priced instruments which are more affordable/attainable to folks on a budget but still have quality components. I have to give credit to BC Rich and Charvel (USA production series) for making the effort to give guitars in their lineup some really good hardware, even if the Floyd's being used are of the "series" variety. Jackson is making a bit more profit on each guitar, saving 15 or 20 dollars on each unit during production. And like I mentioned earlier, BC Rich cut some costs this year by not using the DiMarzio pickup(s)-there would be no other reason. It's all about the bottom line($$$). I still have to say, 90% of the new import Jackson's that have been in my pals store have needed major setup help. At least he's decent enough to want to sell a good playing instrument as opposed to certain places like (begins w/ the letter G) that take them out of the box straight to the sales floor. By the way, he picked up the BC Rich line this year. Yeah!! Discount for me.lol

Heh lucky you. I don't mind them not being set-up well. You can't expect it to be shipped all the way from Japan and ready to rock. Climate changes and a couple of weeks spent on a freight ship is never any good. A good set-up takes an hour or so from strings, truss rod, resetting bridge, adjusting height, intonation and then tuning in. By the way, I've had shittier BC rich's out of the box than Jacksons. A couple of years i got myself a sweet looking Platinum Pro BC Rich. It had a really nice black matte finish and was just gorgeous and felt nice. I never got it fixed properly. The neck was so badly warped that even a couple of truss rod adjustments did nothing. It would've needed a big neck pocket shim, and i didn't feel like going down that road. If i spent more than 1 day trying to get a new guitar to play the way i want it too, than it's not for me. I got my refund and bought a Fender USA strat instead .

[Rich#6]

I like to point out that the current Jacksons have the jt580lp which is a different trem than the jt580. The first jt580LP was made by the same company but who knows where it's made now.
BC Rich getts to put the Korean Floyd rosed on their guitars because their same parent company owns them both.
I can't complain about either of these trems on the guitars I have had.

[bcrich1975]

I hear ya. Shipping and everything accompanied with it takes a toll on the guitars. There's duds in every line. I don't mind doing a set up on a new guitar or a used one. I like doing that stuff anyway. Usually that consists of what you mentioned that can easily be accomplished in a hours time. The major setup woes my friend has encountered has included: incorrectly cut nut shelf's, fret ends not finished-some ridiculously sharp, neck/headstock binding falling off, one of them-the soldering for the electronics was not finished, although the wires were there. That is stuff that any consumer should not have to deal with and a blatant lack of QC. My familiarity with the BC imports is somewhat limited, just know they've come a long way. Always knew-Bronze were entry level, Platinum's-next step up, Platinum Pro-another step up, NJ-high end import..etc. I always stand behind the BC Rich guitars but almost every one I've owned is/was a USA model. Probably had 15 or 20 of them and never once had a single issue. They were all rock solid. It's a bummer to hear about the neck on the one you had and I agree 100%..if you have to fiddle with it for a whole day, something is really wrong and you did the best thing getting a refund. Hell man, I've bought 4 USA Jackson's in the past few years and 3 of them were...., let's put it this way, sent back...even the one I kept has a delaminating headstock but it's a killer player so I will keep it.

Remember the Jackson Professional's from the early 90's....those were the best imports Jackson ever put their name on. They were such well built guitars.

So what kind of strat did you get? I always liked the way they played but I'm a diehard superstrat pointy headstock fan so I never got one. A friend of mine had an Yngwie model and it played phenomenal, but I could not adapt to the 21 fret thing.

[bcrich1975]

Quote: BC Rich getts to put the Korean Floyd rosed on their guitars because their same parent company owns them both.

Glad you pointed that out
Hanser is also known as Hanser Holdings International, Hanser Holdings Inc., HHI, Davitt-Hanser Distribution, HMG, and Hanser Music Group. Hanser also owns Floyd Rose, Rockfield Pickups, OLP, Traben, Michael Kelly, Custom Shop Parts, Nuvo Technologies and Breathe Audio and probably more.
(snagged the above from the bcrpf)
also explains why they dropped DiMarzio pups

[Frigo89]

One more thing...

"Jackson" makes me think of Megadeth.


"BC Rich Gunslinger" makes me think of CC DeVille. <shudder>



Everyone's tastes are different tho.

I think we can all agree, that CC DeVille is much more badass.

MegaDave's version of "These Boots..." Blows

CC's version of "Hey Good Lookin'" is awesome awesome (props to Spike on the vocals).

Not to mention CC DeVille is an enjoyable character, where Dave is historically a complete dick. Who the fuck wants to fight Mike Muir for God's sake?!

And BC Rich has probably the best pointy headstock design going

[Fender]

Wow man that's a shitty rap for new guitars lol. You're lucky you got to have some USA BC richs. You must be a bit older than me cause they don't make a whole lot of them anymore. It's mostly custom shop and kerry king signatures which are dumb looking to me. I'd even kill for an old school NJ but they are harder to find and are really picking up value. I was on the Bc Rich Forums about 5 or 6 years ago and i learned a lot there and also innadvertantly introduced to Moser custom shop and his work in the earlier BC Riches. It's fascinating that they are more than what meets the eye. When i was younger i always thought they were more for show. Same way the Lamborghini Countach was the kind of car a kid would dream about driving, but wasn't as performing or practical as it sounded. Now a days, i live on the basis that i don't know everything and that i try everything once. Same way i got into Ibanez. I used to hate them for their cheap korean lines and gio models. Once i grew up and started to try older models i found out that my tastes were better suited in an RG than a Jackson or BC. I like diversity now, so i love having a lot of guitars with different tunings. It creates inspiration and allows for some fun jamming. As for the Fender, I'd wanted one since i was a kid. My dad always told me that good guitar players played Fenders from Jimi to Stevie. Everyone's had one and it's the building block to any good musician to take a step back and play it like it's 1966. I got a more modern one. It's a beautiful tobacco sunburst HSS strat. Lovely matte neck on it and i love the texas special pick-ups on it. It's got the 5 position switch with push pot that allows another 5. Fun to mess around with and it's smooth. I remember picking up thinking i could never afford it at the time and that I'd always wanted. As a rule i never played anything i couldn't buy cause then I'd be dissapointed in my purchased. They didn't have anything else i wanted. I picked up a highway model which was in the similar price range. Maybe it was the setup or the less vibrant look or sounds, but i didn't like it. I looked at the USA. It was hung delicately on the wall with an american flag gloriously filling the back wall of the fender section. I pick it up like young arthur looking at excalibur. I plugged it in and i melted away on it. I used to be shy in music stores, but that day i played for a good 30 minutes. I had to get it and my dad was happy to help me out! I was 16. I am now 21 and she's still my favorite. Since then i swapped a few pick-ups, but recently put the original diamonback in there. She suffered a bit of fretboard shrinkage and the fret ends are sticking out. I have to get her serviced cause last time i filed them down the wood shrunk out again and now i have to do it all over. It was tedious and i don't want that stress anymore.

heres a picture

[bcrich1975]

Congrats on a nice lookin' Strat. Has an SRV vibe to it.
Yeah, based on how old you said you are, I've got 14 years on ya. So I grew up in the 80's era. I'll always like the guitars and music from that time...everything from Megadeth to Ratt, Dokken to Testament. I guess it's time for some real BC Rich porn w/ a few Jackson's for good measure.


(02 Custom shop Warlock-sold)

below is one of the best USA bargains out there, the STIII-real nice ones sell in the 4-500 range when they turn up

[Fender]

Yeah i had an ST-III although not a USA. It was a pretty nice class axe era model. L.A. series, really not an abundance of those anyways. Sick collection man. Love those gunslingers. This was the best era of BC's mid to late 80's had the coolest headstocks, sweet finishes and were perfect for the metal at the time. I also love that type of stuff, I am heavy into Van Halen, White snake, zz top, early jovi was cool, alcatrazz, ozzy, dio, etc. I really dig the hair metal stuff too. It's all about rocking out and banging girls so i dig that stuff . I wish i had a nice collection like that. Whenever i had big money for some vintage classics, i went out and bought some early 80's jems. They are overpriced in comparison to the amount of Jacksons or BC's i could've had in exchange. My 87SK was easily worth two USA soloist, or a dozen ST-III's . Nice collection man!

[Acesofbelkan]

I think we can all agree, that CC DeVille is much more badass.

MegaDave's version of "These Boots..." Blows

CC's version of "Hey Good Lookin'" is awesome awesome (props to Spike on the vocals).

Not to mention CC DeVille is an enjoyable character, where Dave is historically a complete dick. Who the fuck wants to fight Mike Muir for God's sake?!

And BC Rich has probably the best pointy headstock design going

Sure hes more enjoyable but who cares? Dave is 20x more badass and thats all that matters.

and BC rich has the best pointy headstock? Jackson has that title. The Jackson has the sleekest and sexiest headstock ever. But you're entitled to your opinion

[Frigo89]

Sure hes more enjoyable but who cares? Dave is 20x more badass and thats all that matters.

and BC rich has the best pointy headstock? Jackson has that title. The Jackson has the sleekest and sexiest headstock ever. But you're entitled to your opinion

just the fact that Dave is an idiot as a person make shim automatically not badass.

+ the fact that he got rid of Chris Poland. Biggest mistake Dave ever made. They had potential for being a really cool band with Chris, but just turned into an average band with everyone afterwards.

[Acesofbelkan]

just the fact that Dave is an idiot as a person make shim automatically not badass.

+ the fact that he got rid of Chris Poland. Biggest mistake Dave ever made. They had potential for being a really cool band with Chris, but just turned into an average band with everyone afterwards.

woah lets not get into a "who was Dave's best guitarist arguement *ahem Marty* but Dave Mustaine at least hasnt gotten a guitarist that complete crap we can agree on that.
And the fact is that most people who are badass arent exactly genuises. Badass people do stupid shit and get away with it
Besides Dave has become a very knowledgable person, he was even on CNN discussing politics. I wanna see another metalhead get featured on CNN and talk politics. Yeah some idiot Dave is isnt he?