LE #2 Your ideas please

[ChickenScratch]

Re: LE #2 Your ideas please

How about bolting the pickup right into the body? Since we are going for the clean look why not ditch the pickup rings.

[Zero Signal]

Re: LE #2 Your ideas please

If we end up with a maple board again I will be pushing REAL hard for black fins.

[Jackson-Charvel]

Re: LE #2 Your ideas please

Anyone remember the South Park episode with Butters where his mother tries to drown him? Remember the scene where OJ Simpson, The Ramsey's and Gary Condit all meet with Butters' parents and they start a chorus "one of us, one of us... gooble gobble gooble gobble.." Well the chorus this time should be black sharkfins.... black sharkfins.... black sharkfins etc.

[Zero Signal]

Re: LE #2 Your ideas please

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as for price range... 400-500 would be more in keeping with the spirit of the LE. While I am sure a lot of people would be willing to spend 700 for a semi-custom guitar, at that price range it may also become harder to reach consensus on features, because people are less likely to accept compromises than if the guitar were in the 400-500 range.

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It could well be though that the "winning" idea that most people seem to like will cost in the upper end of that price range. So at that point would people still be willing to cough up over 500?

For instance the white pin striped Rhoads that someone posted, maple neck and black fins. Lets say most everyone loves it. What if the price (hypothetically), is right around $600? Or more toward $700? Could we still get 24+ people?

[Rufue]

Re: LE #2 Your ideas please

I would be in for the Rhoads, Kelly, or the Warrior. Maple board with black fins is way cool!. White with single 81 is fine with me also. I would do the 600 - range 700 for something that is like the examples posted.

-Rufue

[Tekky]

Re: LE #2 Your ideas please

People people people... Did we not learn the lessons of the DK2LE??? The DK2LE, JCF-YCE-01, and JCF-YCE-02 never would have happened if everyone had their .02 to put in. The concept of this whole thing is to make a small production run of a guitar.

How was it successful? Well, it was successful by one person chosing a design, doing a little legwork with a dealer to see if he's willing to take the business, and then going to the board and saying, "Hey, this is what I'm doing, who's in?". (I'm imagining I'm simplifying it, but the point is the same)

In this thread (and the two others that have already been started) there's several people trying to flesh out several different guitars. This is not the way to do it. Someone needs to decide who the "G.D. Man" is and then get to work.

Just offering my assistance and observations...

[mm2002]

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Hey, I was the one who wanted black fins on the DK2LE, but that wasn't possible. Now, to stay with the theme we'd have to have black dots on the next one wouldn't we? Besides that, the dots actually do add to the "simplicity" of the theme. White, maple board, black dots......ya know. It's kinda like a no frills shred monster with the total Mr. Clean look! I for one like it!

[txcharvel]

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Why is everyone so stuck on the damned V shapes?? Those and the Kellys are the most uncomfortable guitars I've ever owned. Now, if it were a warrior in the same theme as DK2LE my checkbook is ready!!!!!! I'll take two!



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mm2002 is on the right track. Vary the body style every year, but keep the basic elements the same. White body, maple board. After a few years the series will be quite a collection. After a few years start a different theme. I might be in on the next go around. I would have this time but I'm not big on dinky bolt on guitars [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[mm2002]

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Gonna make a doubleneck Warrior there, Mark? [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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[img]/images/graemlins/drool2.gif[/img] yup...I've always wanted a double neck warrior in white. Damn..........

[mm2002]

Re: LE #2 Your ideas please

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People people people... Did we not learn the lessons of the DK2LE??? The DK2LE, JCF-YCE-01, and JCF-YCE-02 never would have happened if everyone had their .02 to put in. The concept of this whole thing is to make a small production run of a guitar.

How was it successful? Well, it was successful by one person chosing a design, doing a little legwork with a dealer to see if he's willing to take the business, and then going to the board and saying, "Hey, this is what I'm doing, who's in?". (I'm imagining I'm simplifying it, but the point is the same)

In this thread (and the two others that have already been started) there's several people trying to flesh out several different guitars. This is not the way to do it. Someone needs to decide who the "G.D. Man" is and then get to work.

Just offering my assistance and observations...

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But brainstorming is good. Why should any group accept the mindset of one person? Let's toss around ideas for awhile and then vote on the most popular. As long as it's do-able everyone's happy. (unless it's a fukking V, then I'm out!) [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[Zero Signal]

Re: LE #2 Your ideas please

Tekky, I am well aware of what you are saying. The purpose of a thread like this is to pick one of the main recurring themes and try to nail that particular one.

The problem I see with just one guy who calls the absolute shot is that it won't last long. And who will this person be?

I've seen recurring themes in the ideas people bring forward and I think there is enough there to put a best choice together and then say "this is what we got the dealer to bid and this is what we are doing".

We lucked out on the first one, it was a good design that attracted a lot of different people. We also don't have the draw of a high end US custom shop "JCF" guitar.

That is what we are trying to pull off here, get a general idea of what might work, have a smaller group of people doing the legwork and make an "executive decision" from there; and go with it. At least this way more of the buyers are getting input and helping shape the guitar.

So we are doing a modified version of what you are saying, I think it will work.

[quiksilver]

Re: LE #2 Your ideas please

Huntin' Doug NAILED it with his 1H Rhoads mockup. It has classic, killer looks that should have broad appeal, and the price shouldn't be too high, as it doesn't have a ton of options. While I love ebony fretboards, his idea for ebonized/dyed rosewood is better than just plain ol' brown rosewood, if it's necessary to keep the price down.

I agree with his idea to go with Vwall, too. I'd like it with 22 frets, too (22 or 24 - either way).

[Tekky]

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"Build it and they will come"

That's what it should be. Zero Signal, if you feel you want to go through the paces, then you be the Man. Seen the "democratic way" fail all too many times. Nobody will agree on one guitar to do.

Jon Villalobos had it right the first time. The only choices he really gave were between two different guitars that he spec'd out with Kevin E. He then posted that he could make it work if they got 24 or so orders on one of the guitars. More people wanted the White, so that's what he went with.

[Zero Signal]

Re: LE #2 Your ideas please

All right Tekky, it's noted that you don't particularly agree with how we're doing this... Moving on. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[Number Of The Priest]

Re: LE #2 Your ideas please

See, here we have many dudes trying to be the G.D. Man that Tekky is talking about, hoping that everyone else will agree to their design. Ain't gonna happen, as witnessed by the few other LE #2 related threads. We've already covered potential desirable specs back then, but there are too many things people want. This one should be the next step already but it's not.

You look at the KVX thread(s) in the Jackson USA section. Notice how it was just Jackson16 and one other dude who talked to Scott and got the ball rolling, and people started jumping in. That's the way to do it. That's how LE #1 made it, courtesy of Jon talking to Easton.

So, if you think you're the most serious person (the "Jon" of LE #2) should contact their dealer of choice and start this thing. Don't keep lobbing Custom Shop Generator creations from the sidelines in the hopes that yours is chosen because it won't be. Talk to the dealers, then propose your design.

Okay, so reading back on Tekky's posts, I realize that my post here is just a reiteration of what he already said. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] But it goes to show you that I agree with him.

As I said before, I was hoping everyone would stick to HuntinDoug's design because he posted his first and it looks great. Maybe he's already contacting the dealers as we speak and we can all jump in soon, and it carries the basic themes from LE #1 for you guys who want to form a little collection of white LEs.