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**Steve** · 08-22-2003, 12:38 AM

Re: JT580lp Bad quality metal?

Originally posted by Inazone:
It depends on how much you are going to be using the bar. I have had no problems with the 580 trem. I have a couple, and both have held up as well as any Schaller or OFR I've used. However, I do not use the whammy bar at all, so I'm really putting very little wear on my trems' knife edges. I think the quality of metal is better on an OFR or Schaller, but a 580 should still have a pretty long life expectancy. I've heard some negative comments about the 500 model and the "satin chrome" 580.

the satin chrome ones are better than the newer jt 580 lp trems they did a bit of a face lift on the newer jt 580 lp trem I like the older ones better and in fact they have the older ones on the new charvel line take a look next time your at the Jackson dealer the older one is wider and the bar is as nice as a real floyd bar , the newer one looks cheap but still plays nice , and I think they are made by different companys the old one being made by some company in Japan , the newer one I never got a good look at it when I installed it but I could tell by looking at it it was a different quaility and made but a different company all the new dk2's ke3's rr3's ect ect all have that trem , the old ones are totally better quaility ! I allways block mine [cause I like the tuning system and the super low action that you don't allways get on a string thru , and the bridge on a string thru is way to high !!!] so I don't really know how the new ones play [return to zero] //Steve

**RandyRh** · 10-29-2003, 06:08 PM

Re: JT580lp Bad quality metal?

Does the quality of the "floyd" make a big difference in tone? does a ORF sound much much better than a the "new" jt580lp?

**Black Mariah** · 10-29-2003, 06:36 PM

Re: JT580lp Bad quality metal?

Originally posted by Newc:
The Kahler and FLoyd are just as good, depending on your playing style. If you want to wank like Steve Vai, the Kahler is not as good as the strings will come off.

Tell that to Kerry King and Jeff Hanneman. [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

Last night I was sitting here fiddling with my Soloist, doing all sorts of crazy trem s**t with it. All the squeals and wibble and everything. The damn thing didn't go out of tune a bit in about 20 minutes of wanking. I was TRYING to screw it up, too. Make sure your strings are properly stretched out before you tune up, set the thing up where it sits level, and fer f**k's sake, use more than two springs.

Steve: If you can't get the action low enough on a string-thru, more than likely the neck is improperly shimmed. There needs to be a 2-5 degree angle so that the tongue is high enough to compensate for the height of the bridge. You might want to check that out.

**Shataan** · 10-30-2003, 07:13 PM

Re: JT580lp Bad quality metal?

"does a OFR sound much much better than a the "new" jt580lp?"

well, mine does. As awesome as my SL-3 is, I just FELT something wasn`t quite right. I installed an old OFR, and it all came together for me. It was like the guitar was waiting for the new trem.

I have the JB in the bridge, and Hotrails in the neck/md positions. You could here the differences dramatically thru both my Pod, and my Mesa Boogie Mrk III Simul-Class.

The Jackson Floyd was spongy and not as responsive. The OFR added a ton of sustain that was missing. It literally completes my SL-3.

[ October 30, 2003, 06:14 PM: Message edited by: Shataan ]

**Steve** · 10-31-2003, 01:19 AM

Re: JT580lp Bad quality metal?

Originally posted by Black Mariah:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Newc:
The Kahler and FLoyd are just as good, depending on your playing style. If you want to wank like Steve Vai, the Kahler is not as good as the strings will come off.

Tell that to Kerry King and Jeff Hanneman. [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

Last night I was sitting here fiddling with my Soloist, doing all sorts of crazy trem s**t with it. All the squeals and wibble and everything. The damn thing didn't go out of tune a bit in about 20 minutes of wanking. I was TRYING to screw it up, too. Make sure your strings are properly stretched out before you tune up, set the thing up where it sits level, and fer f**k's sake, use more than two springs.

Steve: If you can't get the action low enough on a string-thru, more than likely the neck is improperly shimmed. There needs to be a 2-5 degree angle so that the tongue is high enough to compensate for the height of the bridge. You might want to check that out. <hr /></blockquote>thanks man , but compared to a floyd you know what I mean , the Jackson floyded stuff has very little pitch if any and the string thru Jackson stuff I've seen are like les paul pitches or something and the bridge area is brutal high even with great action on em , for instance the KVX10 and the DKMGT that I've played , but I could probably get use to it no problem over time , but this is something that has always buged me for years why why why [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] I am probably just anal [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] //Steve

**Steve** · 10-31-2003, 01:29 AM

Re: JT580lp Bad quality metal?

Originally posted by RandyRh:
Does the quality of the "floyd" make a big difference in tone? does a ORF sound much much better than a the "new" jt580lp?

to be completely honest no it doesn't and if it does you'd have to be a genuis to hear it , once you have good pick ups in there it won't matter man , but you'll get more life out of a real floyd than a jt 580lp forsure , but if ya clean it offten it will last longer for ya and probably just as long as a real floyd if your anal like me , but beware man the rust monster comes faster to a jt 580lp than a real floyd ,so keep it clean and you'll be fine ....I feel like a sex theripist now or something [img]graemlins/scratchhead.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] //Steve

**randyvanmalmsteen** · 11-13-2003, 11:54 AM

Re: JT580lp Bad quality metal?

nothing against the 580lp but for the $140 more on a $400 axe a OFR aint a bad idea [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img]
i ordered one for my DK-2 along with a duncan demon and two cool rail pups [img]graemlins/headbang.gif[/img]

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