Pics of OFR in DK2m

[memphiskat]

I guess I got lucky then. I have never had that problem with mine(after I set it up), don't know if it did it before I set it up, as soon as I got home with it, strings came off and a setup ensued. It stays in tune just as well as the OFR on my 1984 Kramer.
Now, the finish on the JT580-LP leaves a little to be desired. It does chip easily, but since it doesn't affect playability, no big deal.

I have had the problem of it not returning to the zero piont too.

I offer this chalenge to anyone that has a JT580......

Connect to a quality tuner (not all are created equal- I have a korg tuner that's very acurate, my freind has a cheap/less sensitive Fender tuner- he hates using mine because if you tune with his it will show in tune and check with mine and you see it's slightly sharp or flat on any given string :-)

Now tune to pitch. Bend the bar up and check a string. On mine all the strings will ussually show slightly sharp. Bend down and they all go a little flat. Now if your not connected to an accurate tuner this will be hard to hear as the strings WILL stay in tune realative to each other! Try it.

I have found that bending down and letting it "snap" back is a good work around, but that's not so practicle when actually playing through.

TRY IT and let us know. I could be full of shit, but I think you'll be suprised.

Karl

[stevearino]

I have had the problem of it not returning to the zero piont too.

I offer this chalenge to anyone that has a JT580......

Connect to a quality tuner (not all are created equal- I have a korg tuner that's very acurate, my freind has a cheap/less sensitive Fender tuner- he hates using mine because if you tune with his it will show in tune and check with mine and you see it's slightly sharp or flat on any given string :-)

Now tune to pitch. Bend the bar up and check a string. On mine all the strings will ussually show slightly sharp. Bend down and they all go a little flat. Now if your not connected to an accurate tuner this will be hard to hear as the strings WILL stay in tune realative to each other! Try it.

I have found that bending down and letting it "snap" back is a good work around, but that's not so practicle when actually playing through.

TRY IT and let us know. I could be full of shit, but I think you'll be suprised.

Karl

I actually use a Peterson V-SAM. Might not be the best, but it works for me. I spent a solid 1 1/2 hours setting my dk2m up. It stays in tune.
I'm not saying that the JT580 is just as good as an OFR, but it is working fine for me and fortunately, I didn't have to spend 200 bucks for an original. Now that 200 will go towards a guitar for my daughter.

[rjohnstone]

I've had some good JT-580's and some bad ones. Even they are not all equal.

[tanpsi]

Hey thanks everybody, the first reason I want to change it is the angle of the lps saddles for palm muting and then also durability issues.

One thing Jackson could do is to start making the liscensed trems with the same footprint as the OFR so the routes would be the same

[rjohnstone]

Hey thanks everybody, the first reason I want to change it is the angle of the lps saddles for palm muting and then also durability issues.

One thing Jackson could do is to start making the liscensed trems with the same footprint as the OFR so the routes would be the same

They used to... it was the non-LP version of the JT-580.

[VoiceX3]

If they went back to the 590 all would be right in the world. If you wanted to switch to an OFR (you wouldn't need to tho, 590's were GREAT trems) you'd need shorter screws....but that's it.

As for the 580....they're not bad, but the things I've noticed is that the fine tuning screws arent tapped out the best and usually have a dead spot somewhere in a full turn. The saddles are a little loose, and the knife edges do wear down with time....much less time than an OFR or a 590.

[soc_monki]

I have had the problem of it not returning to the zero piont too.

I offer this chalenge to anyone that has a JT580......

Connect to a quality tuner (not all are created equal- I have a korg tuner that's very acurate, my freind has a cheap/less sensitive Fender tuner- he hates using mine because if you tune with his it will show in tune and check with mine and you see it's slightly sharp or flat on any given string :-)

Now tune to pitch. Bend the bar up and check a string. On mine all the strings will ussually show slightly sharp. Bend down and they all go a little flat. Now if your not connected to an accurate tuner this will be hard to hear as the strings WILL stay in tune realative to each other! Try it.

I have found that bending down and letting it "snap" back is a good work around, but that's not so practicle when actually playing through.

TRY IT and let us know. I could be full of shit, but I think you'll be suprised.

Karl

actually, if you tune the trem from a neutral-down position (drop the bar, return it to neutral, and then fine tune) and always come back to neutral after a drop you shouldnt have any problems. which means, if you do a pull-up, slightly drop the bar afterwards and youll be in perfect tune.

a lot of trems do this, but you cant really tell because theyll be close. but it causes a lot of Floyd newbs to pull their hair out wondering "why isnt it staying in tune when i do this? then i retune and it wont stay in tune after that!" i know, i went through the headache myself!

my 580 and 580LP work just fine, stay in tune, and i dont have any problems with them not coming back to neutral (and i always end with a small dive past neutral to make sure i come back to tune).

i dont need to participate in the challenge, cuz i already know about the slightly flat/sharp stuff and how to work around it

[soc_monki]

They used to... it was the non-LP version of the JT-580.

my DX10 has the non-LP version and the only difference between it and the LP are the saddles and where the locking bolts are (and the fact the LP has a lower profile LOL).

other than that, the baseplates are the exact same dimensions, theyre just bent differently for LP or non-LP use.

[rjohnstone]

My bad... I forgot the original 580 just had the long lock screws like a Floyd, but still had the angled base plate.

[srommes]

in my case I found that if you just look for the model you want with a Floyd it can sometimes cost almost twice as much as the guitar you want without the Floyd. If I want a DK2 but want a Floyd why would I move up to a USA model just to get it? Especially if I don't have that much cash in the first place.

Spend $600 on a guitar and $200 on a Floyd. $800 total
Or end up spending $1500 on a guitar with a Floyd in it already.

If you're money concious you have to consider these things.

Exactly!!

[toejam]

My bad... I forgot the original 580 just had the long lock screws like a Floyd, but still had the angled base plate.

They did make the original 580 with a square baseplate at one time.
They also made the LP version the same way... JT-580LP '94. I had one on an old Dinky Reverse.

[toejam]

my DX10 has the non-LP version and the only difference between it and the LP are the saddles and where the locking bolts are (and the fact the LP has a lower profile LOL).

other than that, the baseplates are the exact same dimensions, theyre just bent differently for LP or non-LP use.

Are you sure your DX10 doesn't have a JT-500? I wasn't aware they still made the regular JT-580 any longer.

[soc_monki]

Are you sure your DX10 doesn't have a JT-500? I wasn't aware they still made the regular JT-580 any longer.

the JT-500 is the schaller copy. mine is a 580, non-LP. my buddy has an Indian DX10 with a mutt trem (500/590 mix) and theres a big difference between them.



this ones black, mine is chrome, but they are identical.

[Shawn Lutz]

mine fit fine on an older DK2. to me it is well wrth the price difference of whatever a used OFR would cost ya...prolly 75 bucks or so. I primarily swapped mine because mine had the brushed flat chromeas well as some minor tuning stabilities.

[toejam]

the JT-500 is the schaller copy. mine is a 580, non-LP. my buddy has an Indian DX10 with a mutt trem (500/590 mix) and theres a big difference between them.



this ones black, mine is chrome, but they are identical.

Wow, that's interesting. I just checked the newest catalog, and it shows it with the JT-580 like that, but the specs say it's supposed to be a JT-500. The catalog before that had it pictured with a JT-500 but the specs said it was a JT-580LP. Weird.