Ontario Silverburst Strat 3759

[john.w.lawson]

Their not "san dimas".The ones with the "R" and with the USA not starting under the Jackson.People sell these plates for 200 to 300 bucks..But the logos only changed after the move, google it, lots of info on the headstock logos and when jackson became registered.

[xenophobe]

there are plenty of examples that dont fit into jacksons serial# chart. does anyone even know when they actually closed the glendora plant?

I'm not sure but I don't think they actually ceased production while setting up the new shop or moving.

As for the plate #'s, I believe they're spot on for Jacksons with Jackson plates, but there are a number of Jacksons with Charvel plates that were clearly built in Glendora. With the way parts on a few Charvel plated Jacksons, all the remaining parts in Glendora were cobbled together and most of them labeled as Jacksons using up the last of the Charvel plates. The fact that there weren't a whole lot of high numbered and blank Charvel plates on the scene in the late 80's and early 90's was probably because they didn't have many around by the time they were moved in at the new Ontario plant.

I'm willing to assume that they already had thousands of Jackson plates before the move... at the Glendora plant they were probably stacked correctly but by the time they got to the Ontario plant the boxes were restacked wrong, or possibly dropped and mixed up or a combination. I don't see why they would just grab random plates unless they didn't have much choice.

As for trying to date a body by which route they used, you can't. It can help identify, but you need to take into consideration everything else about the guitar. In this case the date on the body, the plate and the headstock logo all point to not being SD. You could still order the small control cavity if you wanted after the move. And whomever thinks that's a SD... not that SD/Ontario means anything, it doesn't, the body is clearly dated. It's an Ontario guitar.

EDIT: BTW, many people who ordered SD Charvels near the end were actually shipped Ontario Jacksons in the configuration they originally ordered.

[Axewielder]

Their not "san dimas".The ones with the "R" and with the USA not starting under the Jackson.People sell these plates for 200 to 300 bucks..But the logos only changed after the move, google it, lots of info on the headstock logos and when jackson became registered.

I've got two SD's with the TM and the Made in USA after the Jackson.

[john.w.lawson]

There are some usa san dimas that don't even have usa on them. So anything is possible, but, that being said the "R" would mean NOT san dimas (no way, no how).I also would not rule out fake headstock logo's.But thats another deal, this guitar is not a fake and thats what this thread was about "your" strat, that even you know it's not a san dimas.

[coloradoman25]

I love lamp

[john.w.lawson]

I love boobies, nipple placement is also very important!!

[xenophobe]

There are some usa san dimas that don't even have usa on them. So anything is possible, but, that being said the "R" would mean NOT san dimas (no way, no how).I also would not rule out fake headstock logo's.But thats another deal, this guitar is not a fake and thats what this thread was about "your" strat, that even you know it's not a san dimas.

Of course, your guitar is legit... as are most Jacksons. Almost no Jacksons are worth faking well, as they'd cost as much or more, there's no point to it.

And as for specific particulars, like I mentioned... You cannot really count on much consistency with early Charvel, Glendora/Ontario transition guitars, Charvel/Jackson imports, as well as custom shop guitars unless you're looking at particular or generic models they've made.

If you want logo information, Jim Shine had a decent site with a lot of pictures... dunno if he's still around though.


Oh, and I dunno if I remember this correctly, but TM usually appeared on decals. R was on later silkscreened. You can find both on transitional guitars from either Glendora or Ontario.

[len]

the guitar looks incredible,love that finish
and all hardware,logos and paint say san dimas .... not to mention neck cavity date
i wish we could get a hold of bob smith to clarify the whole issue once and for all
he built my guitar plate # 5115 dated 6/86.... all san dimas hardware ,then lets remember the 50 pawn shop
san dimas/ontario find from a month ago that was built a week earlier than mine with the same TM logo tuners,hs and dimas control route.

[j2379]

see this is all great info.

[Mazrim]

You cant trust anything. This guitar even says bullshit in the neck pocket.

[xenophobe]

There are some usa san dimas that don't even have usa on them. So anything is possible, but, that being said the "R" would mean NOT san dimas (no way, no how).I also would not rule out fake headstock logo's.But thats another deal, this guitar is not a fake and thats what this thread was about "your" strat, that even you know it's not a san dimas.

The problem is, they didn't make all those changes at once. BTW, it's pretty clear that the Jackson neck plates were moved out of Glendora before that shop closed. There is a string of 15-20 (and possibly far more) Jacksons that left Glendora with Charvel plates all near the end of the Charvel serial number range, which is one of the reasons why I'm fairly sure that 1505 was the last Jackson plated guitar to leave Glendora.

Of course not much is really known... the most important question, to me, would be if at any point both shops were concurrently in operation... either in whole or in part.

[Axewielder]

Sooooo...you guys like my purdy silver guitar then?

[Bert]

Back when the gallery existed, I seem to recall many 1100-1505 plated bolt ons with "R" logos. WTF happened to the gallery anyway?

But yeah, I like the guitar!

One more question: Does it have the plastic headstock cap or is it painted? Looks like it's capped to me, which is also very san-dimasesque!

[Bert]

Here's Jim Shine's logo page by the way:

http://zeus.lunarpages.com/~jimshi2/logos/jackson_logos.htm

[xenophobe]

Here's Jim Shine's logo page by the way:

http://zeus.lunarpages.com/~jimshi2/...kson_logos.htm

That makes me miss my custom warrior and custom kv. ;(

And also makes me wonder what happened to my custom namm solar archtop.