Jackson CS vs...

[xenophobe]

Yeah, I'm pretty much the same - I have a GMP and an Anderson on order. I have a custom PC1 virtually finished which will have been around 14 months I think. I would have ordered another Jackson by now if they weren't quoting 18 - 24 months. That's just not acceptable, especially when most orders seem to take longer than estimated...

I'd order a Custom as well, except for those very reasons. I don't want an 18-24 month quote especially seeing how Jackson rarely makes their estimated delivery dates. Even considering how badly they butchered my first two orders, both Mike and Pablo screwed up royally, I'd still order if wait times were under a year. Remember when the CS was like that? :\

[neilli]

Jackson has copied Gibson too. Jackson has copied Les Pauls, Explorers, Telecasters, and it's pretty obvious that the Warrior, a truly great and unique design, had to be at least partially inspired by the Stealth which predates it by quite a few years.

That's all very true, and sure, Jackson have copied / improved on other companies designs. However, they have legitimate, popular/successful designs of their own also (Soloist and Rhoads being the main of course).

Whereas if we're looking at ESP, have they done anything original that's actually any kind of positive benchmark? I don't see companies lining up to rip-off the Forest guitars...

Don't get me wrong, I'm not an ESP hater - I want a Hanneman. But I recognise that it's just a Kahler'd Soloist Custom with fancy inlays...

But I'm probably getting off point - I've had some less than ideal experiences on a couple of Jackson CS orders, but in fairness, they've done what was necessary to make them right in the end. And hats off to them for that. But inherently, the rebuilds just added to the build time. And when we're talking about a 2 year ETA, I don't want to take the chance...

[xenophobe]

That's all very true, and sure, Jackson have copied / improved on other companies designs. However, they have legitimate, popular/successful designs of their own also (Soloist and Rhoads being the main of course).

Whereas if we're looking at ESP, have they done anything original that's actually any kind of positive benchmark? I don't see companies lining up to rip-off the Forest guitars...

Don't get me wrong, I'm not an ESP hater - I want a Hanneman. But I recognise that it's just a Kahler'd Soloist Custom with fancy inlays...

But I'm probably getting off point - I've had some less than ideal experiences on a couple of Jackson CS orders, but in fairness, they've done what was necessary to make them right in the end. And hats off to them for that. But inherently, the rebuilds just added to the build time. And when we're talking about a 2 year ETA, I don't want to take the chance...

I don't disagree with you at all. However, I want a strathead that isn't an AS or PC and don't want a Charvel. That leaves me with Fender or sneaking through non-US dealers and ordering it through ESP. ESP has continually improved the Strat. Jackson has not. For example, the neck on my order alone... curved fretboard, round 21 fret heel, includes carbon fiber rods to improve stiffness, slight bend to the headstock to eliminate the need for a string retainer as well as specifying how thick you want the board. ESP Japan asks you to specify this. US Dealers get the dumbed down order form. Jackson will happily fill in the blanks and on both of my botched custom orders, they didn't even read half the build sheet. ESP will charge me about 50% more for my custom, but it sounds like they're far more concerned with nailing my order down in a way than Jackson never has.

If I ordered a replica to my Jackson Strathead from ESP, it would basically be a guitar without any custom options at all.

[toejam]

Question:When did Jackson copy the les paul ,is it like the desolation charvels show me some pics, haven't seen that yet and it must be ugly

They did full-sized LPs for Marty Friedman and Joey Z from Life of Agony. They also had a smaller, bolt-on, painted neck LP called the JJP (Jackson Junior Paul) back in '97, and I used to own one.

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